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#DontSubmitToStonewall - suggested quick action by Legal Feminist

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stumbledin · 06/02/2021 23:58

(From twitter post)

A follow up on the Stonewall long read: this one is a very short call for a simple (2-3 minute) action.

Please share widely. #DontSubmitToStonewall twitter.com/hashtag/DontSubmitToStonewall?src=hashtag_click

Please share and submit a request or two. Whatdotheyknow.com makes it very straightforward. If you don't dare ask your own public authority employer, maybe swap with a friend.

legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/02/04/shining-a-light-on-stonewalls-activities/?_thumbnail_id=451

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/02/2021 21:17

there are definitely still NHS Trusts still to be done

It has been suggested that the NHS should not be FOId at this time (covid)

nothingcomestonothing · 12/02/2021 12:54

10 more done today, there are definitely still NHS Trusts still to be done and with the magic of copy and paste it's pretty painless!

NoraBattyisaGodess · 11/02/2021 20:50

@persistentwoman

Sympathies NoraBattyisaGodess Dealing with FOI requests was a nightmare in my last job - also hated them. BUT - there were a number of occasions when they revealed (sometimes to people's horror) injustices, terrible practice and illegal actions in a local authority and in that sense, they sometimes really had an impact.
Totally agree, they can be a tool used for good! I’m just grumbling because you ladies have given me a headache, redacting things out of things on a laptop that won’t work fast enough makes me want to peel my eyeballs.

@WeAreJackieWeaver

I don’t think they will have as great as an impact as perhaps is wished? I’m not sure really, I know there has been a couple of snippets here and there. You may find a lot of authorities signed up but didn’t do anything much after that!

But now I’ve stopped grumbling, I’m watching to see what other authorities respond with. It will be the first time I’ve seen responses to the same request on such a scale. I’ve just got to write my response tomorrow and send it off.

persistentwoman · 11/02/2021 16:56

Sympathies NoraBattyisaGodess Dealing with FOI requests was a nightmare in my last job - also hated them.
BUT - there were a number of occasions when they revealed (sometimes to people's horror) injustices, terrible practice and illegal actions in a local authority and in that sense, they sometimes really had an impact.

WeAreJackieWeaver · 11/02/2021 16:41

Why don’t you think these requests will be successful Nora?

NoraBattyisaGodess · 11/02/2021 15:50

I'm an FOI officer, and I hate my job. I hate my job because of shit like this.

Don't get me wrong, I don't stand with Stonewall, but my god do I hate the shit that people ask me. The amount of fucking pages I have to redact.

Alas, I cannot disclose who I work for because we're not allowed to show political affiliation and all that.

I don't forsee you'll get much out of public authorities that is useful but good luck. I could be wrong mind you.

littleburn · 11/02/2021 07:03

@MaudTheInvincible yes, that's it!

FemaleAndLearning · 10/02/2021 22:19

Wow! Women are amazing!

MaudTheInvincible · 10/02/2021 20:45

Oh, is it this? GC Academic/ Professional Services support thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4122834-GC-Academic-Professional-Services-support-thread

MaudTheInvincible · 10/02/2021 20:34

Can you post on it to give it a bump, and then I'll be able to see it to put a link on?

littleburn · 10/02/2021 20:25

@MaudTheInvincible I hadn't actually seen that one! There's another titled GC academic. I can find it by searching that term but I don't know how to link to it.

MaudTheInvincible · 10/02/2021 19:40

Is this the thread you mean @littleburn?

New website for GC university staff and students www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4159525-New-website-for-GC-university-staff-and-students

littleburn · 10/02/2021 17:58

If it hasn't been done already, can I suggest you highlight this in the FWR thread for GC university staff? (Sorry, I don't know how to!). There are quite a few of us and some of us will actually be dealing with these FOI requests as they come in.

The points made by Legal Feminist about the legal risks of creating policies using the Stonewall definition of trans (as opposed to the EA 2010 definition) is actually really useful in making the case for not continuing down the Stonewall route.

OvaHere · 10/02/2021 17:32

@MerchedCymru

Stunning work wimbats and allies!

And thanks for collating everything Allmywhat. We're hoping to follow up all the local authorities in Wales and then health boards. And then universities. It goes on and on doesn't it!

Incidentally, the wonderful Naomi from Legal Feminist has just explained to the Women & Equalities Committee GRA inquiry that:
“The law can no more change a person’s sex than King Canute can stem the tide.”

Yep!

Just came to cross post this. I've bumped the previous committee thread with a link to the meeting.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4102035-Women-Equalities-Commitee-live-today-at-2-30?pg=9

MerchedCymru · 10/02/2021 16:02

Naomi now being asked to defend the Stonewall blog by the WESC GRA inquiry: www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/fb12feef-6d41-457a-a102-ea59813bb583

Not sure if the question is a neutral enquiry - probably not. Around 1hr 30mins in.

MerchedCymru · 10/02/2021 15:21

Stunning work wimbats and allies!

And thanks for collating everything Allmywhat. We're hoping to follow up all the local authorities in Wales and then health boards. And then universities. It goes on and on doesn't it!

Incidentally, the wonderful Naomi from Legal Feminist has just explained to the Women & Equalities Committee GRA inquiry that:
“The law can no more change a person’s sex than King Canute can stem the tide.”

Yep!

nothingcomestonothing · 10/02/2021 11:21

I've maxed out my limit on What do they know for today, mostly NHS Trusts.

allmywhat · 10/02/2021 09:39

Here's the latest list of all orgs submitted to. I've put it in alphabetical order this time so it's easier to check. Quite a few duplicates so it really is worth checking to avoid wasted effort!

I think some orgs get so many requests that even a very recent #DontSubmitToStonewall request may not show up near the beginning of their profile.

pastebin.com/ZvfKDzAJ

Brilliant work, everyone! 🥂

MaudTheInvincible · 09/02/2021 19:06

as they are letting men off the hook

Yes, their behaviour is that of an enabler, yet some of them have the cheek to claim their anti-women actions and words are feminist.

#DontSubmitToStonewall - suggested quick action by Legal Feminist
Mulletsaremisunderstood · 09/02/2021 17:36

Feck's sake - I just looked at the Stonewall website and their list of champions is ridiculous.

All these companies who seem to be thinking out of their arse - do they have any idea the damage they are perpetuating!?

Surprise surprise The Guardian is a stonewall champion Angry

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stumbledin · 09/02/2021 17:17

I think there have always been women who faced the enormity of the reality of being female in a patriarchal society decide that the only way to deal with it is to minimise what it actually means to be constantly under threat from men and male violence.

Hence throw away lines like "women are always goign to get raped". Angry

And of course the added bonus for these women is that they then become enourmously popular with men, as they are letting men off the hook.

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EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 09/02/2021 16:21

I know. It hurts. 15 years or so ago I remember seeing a ‘Some People Are Lesbians, Get Over It’ poster near my flat & loving it. Now I wonder if I should have read ‘People’ as a warning of things to come.

Ruth Hunt, who cited ‘women are always going to get raped’ as a reason that it wasn’t worth our having single sex spaces....

HeadIsFucked · 09/02/2021 15:50

You know, while this is all obviously necessary given recent behaviour, it still pains me a bit that..stonewall is The Bad Guy these days. I explained to a stonewall supporting friend a few days back, and they refused to see any issues, until the fighting for males in womens rugby thing, THAT turned them instantly, as someone who is very sporty.

Honestly, its even more depressing to me that this 'went bad' while a lesbian was 'in charge'..so to speak. I cannot for the life of me see that Hunt did not see what she was doing, and the direction it was all taking. I can believe she thought she was doing good, to start with mind.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 09/02/2021 06:20

@WeeTorag

Someone on there called U. Winfield has been very busy today! Go U!!
There’s a U Winfield who does excellent work in the Times comment section.
WeeTorag · 08/02/2021 17:39

Someone on there called U. Winfield has been very busy today! Go U!!