#DontSubmitToStonewall - suggested quick action by Legal Feminist

Trying to get myself educated here, and hopefully help the cause too. Can anyone explain, for example, who is collating the info from the FoI requests and what will be done with the data?

I've started another thread about SW in schools as am aghast as to how they are infiltrating everywhere. But I can't think of what to actually do about it?!

It does imply they would respond differently depending on your sex which is a bit weird

It's too funny - we can't answer a question re our paying £££ to people who want us all to pretend we don't know the difference between men and women, until you tell us if you're a man or a woman

Nothingcomestonothing - what were they doing asking for the sex? They wanted the full name so they could look them up is my guess, but why ask it like that?

nothing that is brilliant

This is my favourite response so far: www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_about_your_dealings_495#outgoing-1117785

My irony meter just exploded!

That's interesting, because Dyfed Powys Police are on the Stonewall Diversity Champions list.

www.stonewall.org.uk/diversity-champions-members

I suspect Alun will be sent off for some re-education shortly.

I have never had any dealings with " Stonewall ", - in fact I do not even know who/what they are !

The ultimate aim of the exercise!

Just been sifting through the FOIs. Not that many results yet. I like this reply to one of them though, so reassuring and refreshing that someone in a Police force hasn't got a clue who Stonewall are!!

Dyfed-Powys Police

^"Good Morning Robert,
I have received the attached e-mail regarding " Stonewall ". I have never had any dealings with " Stonewall ", - in fact I do not even know who/what they are ! Can you deal with this Robert, or forward it to the relevant person please ?

Keep safe,

ALUN."^

Looking forward to seeing more results, I've enjoyed being part of this activism. :-)

I’m curious as to the why there’s a preference for avoiding duplicate requests? In my view there are two legitimate benefits to a FOI: 1. You might find something if interest 2) it can be utilised to frustrate the organisation. This doesn’t work if the question is identical but a variation that asks a similar question and requires additional work could be extremely useful.

Organisations who become aware that their activities are being scrutinised and have to expend resources on responses may start coming to their own conclusions around whether being a champion is good value

Prob not. Sorry ignore me. It just riles me!

Are charities subject to FOI if they aren't public bodies?

Appreciate charities aren't public bodies but they do use public money so maybe an interesting follow up action?

I work for a charity that isn't on the list but has joined the diversity champions scheme. Cant list here as too outing but happy to PM anyone who is looking into charities . Wonder when it will start becoming a negative for charities to be publicly linked .

Bingo...

Ooh let me guess? Equality Impact assessments?

I have just checked on some...

Some err very interesting results.

Anyone guess what was missing from the answers or not done...

Some of the results are coming back in now. It looks like some of the questions may not have been framed optimally, for example, according to Uni of Wolverhampton, there is no application not join the Stonewall schemes, you just pay your money therefore q1 does not apply.

If anyone has time for more FOI requests there a Children's Champion Scheme

www.stonewall.org.uk/cypschampions

Yep I'm NHS and I agree, if back office staff have got time to send emails on being good LGBTQ+ allies suggesting we all introduce ourselves with our pronouns because be kind and who does it hurt (umm, women), they can also find time to answer some FOIs. They won't impact whatsoever on patient-facing staff.

Also what really gets my goat is that there's two streams of staff - admin (including desk based matrons etc) and clinical frontline. So when a little well-being yoga/meditation session, just 15 mins 9am and 12am daily is advertised to show what caring employers they are - Well there's one group of staff that are totally excluded from activities like these as they are busy looking after patients.

Spot on

Yeah, don't worry about the NHS. Plenty of time for them to be advertising LGBTQ+++ history month and related activities, I think they can find time for these little FOIs.

Also what really gets my goat is that there's two streams of staff - admin (including desk based matrons etc) and clinical frontline. So when a little well-being yoga/meditation session, just 15 mins 9am and 12am daily is advertised to show what caring employers they are - Well there's one group of staff that are totally excluded from activities like these as they are busy looking after patients.

So don't feel guilty about giving them a bit of extra admin.

I don't think the FOI Officer is going to be massively impacted by covid. Chronic underfunding yes, but covid no. In the Trusts I've worked in operational staff are based far away from the frontline business of hospitals and have little contact (apart from going to the canteen). There's no need at all for any medical staff to be inconvenienced by these questions.