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Sex based rights in the UK?

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RobinMoiraWhite · 05/02/2021 22:21

An interesting perspective.

rgellman.medium.com/there-is-no-such-thing-as-sex-based-rights-in-the-uk-140554a2c42c

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NiceGerbil · 06/02/2021 02:54

I like the way it's presented as an interesting perspective when it's rehashed crappy arguments that anyone who spent any time reading stuff around this has seen a million times before.

NiceGerbil · 06/02/2021 02:53

This argument being put forward. That it's a sign of our oppression that we have single sex, anything. If we were equal we'd be in with the men.

Is just such an obvious load of patent bollocks I'm surprised that people continue with it.

Oh yes! Women have separate changing because we're lesser than men and the feminist thing to do is fight for the right for you and your daughters to get your kit off in front of random blokes. Girl power!

Fuck off.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 06/02/2021 00:18

A classic bit of mansplaining — short of facts, misunderstanding basic points and deeply patronising.

stumbledin · 05/02/2021 23:58

Well its hard to take seriously when one of the arguements is that wikipedia doesn't say so - could that be the wikipedia that is male dominated and any female focused entries are ruthlessly cancelled or altered by mind numbing obsessed incels who think of it as there space.

But it is concerning to see how a trans woman can so convince themself that the opposite of what is true is what is really true.

So many of the arguement dont even make sense, are historically incorrect, and ...

But worse still is the number of positive claps it has got.

In an era when fake news becomes real news articles like this littered round the internet will be the building blocs of the new reality that will determine whether women are recognised as a biological reality or the firment of male imagination.

On one level stupidly trivial. On another levle a worrying indicator of the future we will all be living in.

NiceGerbil · 05/02/2021 23:16

Did you read my links about women's bogs Moira?

NiceGerbil · 05/02/2021 23:15

The person has obviously never watched a costume drama either Grin

The women would withdraw from the table and the men would sit around boozing and smoking.

I mean even I know that and I hate costume dramas Grin

Thelnebriati · 05/02/2021 23:13

If that awful piece of writing was supposed to convince me to shut up and sit down, it backfired.

If you aren't familiar with any of the battles for sex based rights, if you can't conceive of why they are needed, then start with the rule of Chestertons Fence;

''Never take down a fence until you understand why it was put up in the first place.''

NiceGerbil · 05/02/2021 23:13

Pregnancy and maternity is a protected characteristic but it doesn't refer to sex which is ok by me.

NiceGerbil · 05/02/2021 23:11

Yes Karen Hmm

I also have little time for things that refer to American history as if it's universal.

It's also not an original point of view, I've seen it in various forms for a long time.

The idea that sex is not a protected characteristic even though it is, is novel though.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 05/02/2021 23:11

@Alltheprettyseahorses

There are pregnancy and maternity rights for a start. The article is written from the pov of wishing there are no sex-based rights which isn't true at all.
That would also be the POV of the OP.
MissBarbary · 05/02/2021 23:07

One particularly prominent example is that of the Drawing Room. A number of stately homes (particularly in the UK) have a room called The Drawing Room. Not actually for undertaking artwork, but actually a shortening of The Withdrawing Room. It was a room created for one purpose alone: The men will go and discuss important matters; no women allowed

That isn't what a withdrawing room is.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 05/02/2021 22:50

There are pregnancy and maternity rights for a start. The article is written from the pov of wishing there are no sex-based rights which isn't true at all.

FeckTheMagicDragon · 05/02/2021 22:40

Straw man arguments in my opinion. Also did the actually refer to the horrible Karen meme? A nice little bit of misogyny there ...

NiceGerbil · 05/02/2021 22:36

Not really.

'Single-sex spaces existed long before the Equality Act was even conceived, and even well before the Equal Pay Act 1970. But they weren’t fought for over the centuries, but rather the patriarchal social structure meant that women were considered a lower class than men, and thus disqualified from sharing their spaces.'

History www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/History-of-Womens-Public-Toilets-in-Britain/

Additionally. All the charities around the world that have initiatives for single sex facilities to improve the safety, educational opportunities etc of women and girls around the world.

See also the reports of sexual assaults in mixed sex facilities in refugee camps.