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The right to change personal information on a document issued by the government

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JellySlice · 05/02/2021 22:08

Interesting article in today's Times. I only have a paper , so can't link it, but perhaps someone with a subscription could post a share token for the Law Report: No right to have residence permit amended for suicidal tendencies.

Essentially, a refugee was granted indefinite leave to remain and issued with a Biometric Residence Permit giving a date of birth which he disagrees with. He wants to change the date of birth, and is on hunger strike over the government's refusal to do so.

I struggle with the legalese, but these paragraphs stand out, and are quite clear:

The right to change personal information on a document issued by the government
The right to change personal information on a document issued by the government
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OvaHere · 06/02/2021 11:26

Wow that's a really interesting ruling and the correct one I would say. So why has sex been treated differently? The exact same criteria about reflecting accurate records applies there too.

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/02/2021 11:19

He was in his 60s. No benefit to him really. But the interviews were interesting in particular with who else was there and how they had to try and convince people how ot wasn't wasn't same thing.

I remember tv giving air time too , to that women who had been taking is it melatonin? Stuff to make her skin darker , her husband/boy friend had been taking it too. She was attempting to talk all stereotypically but was dreadful and u couldn't understand a word she said she liked reggae and Jamaican food or something Hmm cant believe tv humoured it tbh

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 06/02/2021 11:18

Pension schemes would be fucked if we're allowed to self-id to whatever age suits us. For starters.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 06/02/2021 11:17

What is the feminism angle on this?

That there is (of course) no right to change information recorded on a government document. Except if you want to change your accurately recrded sex on your birth certificate.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 06/02/2021 11:16

@Barracker

"The scale of this insanity terrifies me.
We went ahead and legislated that everyone should be legally forced to pretend something we all know not to be true, and that non-compliance would be punishable."

It could not be any more Orwellian. Scary times.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 06/02/2021 11:12

What were the dates? Would they make him younger ie a minor? What’s the benefit.

Whatwouldscullydo · 06/02/2021 11:07

There was also that Dutch bloke ( think he was Dutch haply to be corrected) who wanted his age changed to reflect the fact a dr said he had the body of a man 20 years younger. The interview with him and someone else I better not name was interesting to say the least. Needless to say his request was refused on the basis of- who did his mum give birth too and parents raised if not him?

Barracker · 06/02/2021 10:49

An entire law was created to change the definition of sex so that people could have the opposite sex, a demonstrable lie, on their birth certificates.

The equivalent in this case would be to create a law that redefines time, so that people can rewrite historical fact the way biological fact has been rewritten.

It never stops being terrifying that it was allowed to legally rewrite the meaning of what it is to be male and female. I will never stop feeling horrified by this. We have a law that lies not just about the sex of 5000 people, but about the sex of every human being. The law forces a denial of sex, and engineers the state of being male or female into a matter of psychology alone.

We passed a law that denies observable, known material reality and replaced it with pure fiction. And we've spent every moment since putting in place forced measures to try to maintain the fiction's supremacy over the material reality which simply cannot be ignored.

The scale of this insanity terrifies me.
We went ahead and legislated that everyone should be legally forced to pretend something we all know not to be true, and that non-compliance would be punishable.

Imnobody4 · 06/02/2021 10:08

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-right-to-have-residence-permit-amended-for-suicidal-tendencies-28dwzz3cr
That is really interesting, particularly for self id.

newyearnewname123 · 06/02/2021 09:55

That's really interesting. So from what I have read the line is that the person wants a date of birth that can't be true. And we mustn't falsify records.

Except sex, it doesn't matter if that is accurate.

JellySlice · 05/02/2021 22:22

Changing the sex marker on your passport because you believe you are a different sex from your biological sex is not considered inaccurate or misleading.

But changing your birthday is.

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SuperHighway · 05/02/2021 22:15

What is the feminism angle on this?

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