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Labour MP for Leeds says he OPPOSES single-sex spaces

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PotholeParadies · 04/02/2021 20:58

This was the question:

Do you agree that there should be sex-segregated facilities for women in hospitals, schools, refuges and prisons?

Alex Sobel, Labour MP for Leed NW said: No.

twitter.com/alexsobel/status/1356382772152184832?s=19

Labour MP for Leeds says he OPPOSES single-sex spaces
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MichelleofzeResistance · 05/02/2021 10:29

You can be fair to people with trans issues without denying natural female gender and denying them safe women only spaces.

This.

It is very apparent that for some men, trans issues are being used as an excuse to let loose their gynephobia. When you have a man seriously trying to say that the entire class of female sex should not be entitled to privacy, dignity, safety, freedom from harassment, the right to group by their sex, their right not to be forced to undress in front of a male, regardless of their own feelings, needs, faith and beliefs..... because the possible need of a male person outweighs all of it?

It's no longer excusable.

It's also ridiculous that it exposes while talking about 'no such thing as sex' is their given reason for this, they are demonstrating entirely sex based thinking, in which one sex class is subordinate to, lesser than and for the use of the other sex. The language borrowed from trans people is just being used to further their personal gynephobic agenda.

Helmetbymidnight · 05/02/2021 10:28

Thank you @JackOffJill
I'm a Labour member and have made a formal complaint. It's quite easy to do, whether you're a member or not.
labour.org.uk/members/my-welfare/making-a-complaint/

I complained using that link.

Violetparis · 05/02/2021 10:23

Janice Turner from The Times has also tweeted about this.

Every candidate at every election will be asked this question from now on. They need a better answer than dismissing the Equality Act, international human rights law & decades of feminist struggle in a single word, like this Labour MP. Judging from my postbag, women are watching. t.co/TVo8v2SHVn

Sometimesonly · 05/02/2021 10:17

Interesting that he also has "Jew" in his Twitter biography. Do you think he will be campaigning for mixed spaces in orthodox synagogues alongside prisons and changing rooms?

FamilyOfAliens · 05/02/2021 10:07

@morninglive

I really don't get this political football that is trans issues. You can be fair to people with trans issues without denying natural female gender and denying them safe women only spaces.

Any politician should think clearly about this and weigh up the number of women voters against the number of trans voters.

Neither sector should be discriminated against

Gender isn’t the issue here. The issue is sex.

Men do not belong to the sex class of women, however they choose to present, whatever their “gender identity” is, whatever their name is, whatever their inner feelings are. They belong to the sex class of men.

morninglive · 05/02/2021 10:05

I'm so pleased feminists are screaming this from the rooftops and being a pain in the arse to the woke contingent. Keep on getting the message across and women will genuinely wake up to the threat this is to their wellbeing and security 👏👏👏👏

merrymouse · 05/02/2021 10:03

@Rubidium

I see the editor of the Yorkshire Post has taken notice: twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/1357450746111868930

I wonder what the farmers of North Yorkshire make of all this gender stuff. I imagine the idea of sex being on a spectrum is news to people whose livelihood depends on producing new sheep and cows every year.

That is good, but I hope he realises that this is also about prisons and hospital wards.

Very much agree about the sheep and dairy farmers!

morninglive · 05/02/2021 10:02

I really don't get this political football that is trans issues. You can be fair to people with trans issues without denying natural female gender and denying them safe women only spaces.

Any politician should think clearly about this and weigh up the number of women voters against the number of trans voters.

Neither sector should be discriminated against

Rubidium · 05/02/2021 09:56

I see the editor of the Yorkshire Post has taken notice:
twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/1357450746111868930

I wonder what the farmers of North Yorkshire make of all this gender stuff. I imagine the idea of sex being on a spectrum is news to people whose livelihood depends on producing new sheep and cows every year.

merrymouse · 05/02/2021 09:52

I see his follow up Tweet was about gender neutral toilets. Why do these people always bring it back to toilets???

Because they talk from a position of privilege and lack the emotional intelligence to understand that other people have different experiences.

Because their knee-jerk reaction is that women, particularly older women are irrelevant.

Also, I suspect because men like this aren't particularly interested in the issue but take their cue from MPs like Nadia Whittome and Stella Creasy, who for reasons of ambition or naivety have a position that is completely incoherent.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 05/02/2021 09:45

The weird thing is, Leeds used to be a centre of feminist activity in the 1970s and 80s.

Dinotail · 05/02/2021 09:44

I saw this. Unbelievable

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 05/02/2021 09:26

How has it become "woke" to hate women? How did this happen?

gcnq It’s like bad science fiction, isn’t it, too implausible. I often feel I’ve woken up into a nightmare.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/02/2021 09:25

From a failure to really understand the basis of women's exploitation and oppression. From a superficial understanding of feminism. From a lack of real empathy with the place and position of women.

YY

FamilyOfAliens · 05/02/2021 09:23

I’m moving to Leeds in March and he will be my MP.

Looks like I’m going to be busy in my retirement!

MissBarbary · 05/02/2021 09:22

[quote JackOffJill]I'm a Labour member and have made a formal complaint. It's quite easy to do, whether you're a member or not.
labour.org.uk/members/my-welfare/making-a-complaint/[/quote]
Done

Justhadathought · 05/02/2021 09:17

How has it become "woke" to hate women? How did this happen

It is not so much about conscious hatred, as much as arising from a world view in which all human beings are equal ( as in sameness), and a world in which it is assumed women, now, have equal rights. ( except they don't all over the world, of course)

From a failure to really understand the basis of women's exploitation and oppression. From a superficial understanding of feminism. From a lack of real empathy with the place and position of women.

Justhadathought · 05/02/2021 09:12

What the hell is he thinking

I suspect it is more about being internally consistent, than about active thought. If you are in for a penny, then you have to be in for a pound. There is no picking and choosing the bits you like and don't like.

MoltenLasagne · 05/02/2021 09:09

Absolutely appalling. My bloody city, misogyny central. I've emailed my MP this morning who is also a Labour MP for Leeds.

I think Labour want to make themselves utterly unelectable, I've long since suspected they prefer being in opposition than having to govern. They certainly won't be getting my vote at this rate.

Helmetbymidnight · 05/02/2021 08:35

So depressing. It really is.

I will complain via labour.

ChloeCrocodile · 05/02/2021 08:35

Local council elections are in May and that is very relevant to his issue given that councils obv have power to control a lot of public spaces.

Thanks for the reminder. There is the major problem of who to actually vote for tho. I've never voted tory in my life but I think this may be the one.

UppityPuppity · 05/02/2021 08:21

I see his follow up Tweet was about gender neutral toilets. Why do these people always bring it back to toilets???

Is he trying to conflate the one self contained mixed-sex loo in many restaurants/cafes with women prisoners incarcerated with rapists?

What a disgrace.

When people show you who they really are - believe them.

merrymouse · 05/02/2021 07:45

I think the key issue is hat this MP refused to explain his position and would not accept that women had genuine concerns, but instead called them bigots.

merrymouse · 05/02/2021 07:43

Local council elections are in May and that is very relevant to his issue given that councils obv have power to control a lot of public spaces.

womansplaceuk.org/dear-leeds-council

ChattyLion · 05/02/2021 07:30

That’s an excellent point though lots of prior requirements around that:

MPs can be recalled only under certain circumstances:
If they are convicted in the UK of an offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned or detained and all appeals have been exhausted (and the sentence does not lead to automatic disqualification from being an MP);
If they are suspended from the House following report and recommended sanction from the Committee on Standards for a specified period (at least 10 sitting days, or at least 14 days if sitting days are not specified);
If they are convicted of an offence under section 10 of the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009 (making false or misleading Parliamentary allowances claims)

Plus 10% of constuents need to sign a petition supporting it

*the committee on standards bit relates to the code of conduct of MPs and looking at it the most relevant but I think is the failure to act in the public interest (if they would accept that tweeting misogynistically comes under ‘acting’)

committees.parliament.uk/committee/290/committee-on-standards/role/

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