Labour MP for Leeds says he OPPOSES single-sex spaces

When I saw the thread title, I knew it would be him, because he has form (less blatant than this, but form nevertheless). He is my MP.

I want to write to him and complain, but I am a coward. He knows who we are because we have corresponded before about other issues. Both I and my DH work for woke employers in this woke woman-hating city. We can't afford to be outed and hounded out of work as bigots, and if any sniff of our views got out, we would be.

Needless to say, we will not be voting for him in this house. But elections are years away.

My post was deleted?

Seriously? He said 'No'?

I have no words .....

It is always Leeds too. I’m beginning to think someone put kool-aid in the water.

I've written to my (labour) MP.

First time I've done this, but something needs to be done about how women are being treated. It is getting worse by the week it seems.

I started an AIBU about this. The misogyny is just rampant.

Clap & argos

It’s that thing primary schools kids do when a kid calls them stupid they clap back ‘no your stupid’ then act like the fact they said it makes it reality and wins them the entire argument.

Course most kids grow out of it age 10 or so at least.

Stunted doesn’t quite cover it.

Of course women’s rights do not equal bigotry,

But leaving that aside,

Don’t all mps look for all groups of voters to vote for them? Is he aware how voting works??

Even the misogynistic voters out there who celebrate his pro self id stance might well vote against him for his blatant stupidity of that remark. I can’t imagine anyone voter regardless of their views on women’s rights would have any confidence that he knew how to change a light bulb never mind anything else if he doesn’t understand mps seek out all votes they can get.

But "women and trans women" sports probably isn't going to be especially successful. I don't know, maybe for certain sports at a certain level... but I don't see why it would be interesting for elite athletics say. Biological women would just stick to the biological women class.

Also, if you seperate in that way, I'm guessing you will have some people who say it doesn't fit with TWAW. What I imagine some people want, is that everyone has to go along with the idea that trans-women are completely 100% women and are to be treated exactly the same, and they will only take into account the difference in biology if absolutely forced to like with healthcare where biological difference becomes difficult to ignore.

I would say change the men's category to "men's and open class", and then everyone has a category they can compete in, if they are good enough. Obviously that solution wouldn't be liked.

So, Alex Sobel, a shadow junior minister for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and SPORT speaks out against the legal rights and protection of Women as set out in the Equality Act 2010, the law of our country - and the Labour Party is silent.

Okaaaay

FamilyOfAliens I take your point, but I do qualify 'gender' by the word 'natural' as in 'biological'. Men cannot be biological/natural women no matter what.

I think using “natural gender” to mean “biological” just muddies the water.

Sex is biology.
Gender is belief.

As long as words and definitions aren't misused, what's the problem? Let universities or wokey-councils create "women and trans-women" spaces, let political parties have "women and trans-women" shortlists, let sporting meetings have "women and trans women" sports.

As long as all those things can co-exist with their women-only equivalents. And everything is clearly, unambiguously indicated, with signage in all sorts of languages.

Astonishing.

As someone else noted, though, at least he is being very clear and straightforward instead of trying to wriggle out of it.

Now we see what the end game is, we can discuss what the possible problems might be with:

Mixed sex prisons
Mixed sex changing rooms
Mixed sex hospital wards
Mixed sex domestic violence shelters/refuges

Oh. All my above post should have lots of quotation marks, including that final "The original post..." one!

Where should my non binary offspring piss? Where should my bearded trans man friend who still has labia piss? Its not about bigotry, it about practical lives.

"transgender females are females. I think the discussion starts there".
(Which surely means "the discussion ends there"?)

try and imagine how terrifying it would be to not identify as the gender I've been labelled as but still be forced into spaces with only that gender. I'd take feeling less safe, if that even was a factor, to make trans people feel more safe.

Is it editorial policy
@yorkshirepost
to refer to transgender women as ‘male bodied strangers’? That’s definitely bigoted.

The original post wasn’t about male female though. It was about trans gender people using the toilet they feel comfortable using. The woman in question has #biologyisnotbigotry in her bio. So is clearly trying to deny the rights of trans gender people.

Men do not belong to the sex class of women, however they choose to present, whatever their “gender identity” is, whatever their name is, whatever their inner feelings are. They belong to the sex class of men

@FamilyOfAliens I take your point, but I do qualify 'gender' by the word 'natural' as in 'biological'. Men cannot be biological/natural women no matter what.

I think it's projection

Why does every single woke person call everyone who doesn’t totally agree with them a bigot!? I’m heartily sick of it

A couple of posters earlier asked if he has a wife. I think he has a wife and two children.
I really fail to understand how anyone can have views like his.

1980s Tory - "Gay people are all drag queens who just want to hang out in bars"
2020s Tracy Brabin promotional video - "Gay people are all drag queens who just want to hang out in bars".

I'm not really seeing the change in message...

Recently I have seen a lot of comparisons of single-sex spaces to apartheid, so unfortunately he is not alone.

Yup, if you go on any left-leaning FB sites, its a veritable feast of white men in their twenties/thirties calling anyone who wants single-sex spaces 'Jim Crow' etc. etc.

The question was actually asked of Tracy Brabin candidate for Mayor. Alex just replied. Tracey doesn't seem to have responded to the question yet.
Somehow watching her video I think I know what she thinks.

twitter.com/TracyBrabin/status/1356218469314945024?s=19

I very much agree with Janice.

Also the situation is likely to become more fraught in the US, and because of sports, likely to involve more denial of the existence of sex and a higher profile for this issue on social media and in the mainstream news.

I think there will also be more fall out from what is happening in Scotland.

Starmer really needs to get his head out of the sand. The Tories scent blood.