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Should I email my Uni Lecturer about this?

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Magpiemavis · 02/02/2021 14:14

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster!

I’m in my first year of a uni degree, and was just listening to one of my online uni lectures. I was quite stunned to hear the lecturer brand JK Rowling a transphobe. Having actually read JK Rowling’s open letter, would it be reasonable of me to email the lecturer and ask why they thought this was a reasonable thing to do?

Would really appreciate some outside views on this!

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LunaHeather · 03/02/2021 11:47

@GCAcademic

She is entitled to her opinion, but I wonder if she has even properly encountered the alternatives? Really in these situations lecturers should acknowledge that other people hold different views on this

From what I see on Twitter, there are a lot of early career academics who block anyone who doesn't hold identical views to them. They behave tribally and seem to live in genuine oblivion that their views are not shared by 99% of academics and even the wider public. The stunned incredulity at the outcome of the 2019 general election was a sight to behold.

Yes. And Brexit.
LunaHeather · 03/02/2021 11:46

OP I have only read your posts

Just in case it's of interest, this has been set up

freespeechchampions.com/

GCAcademic · 03/02/2021 11:43

She is entitled to her opinion, but I wonder if she has even properly encountered the alternatives? Really in these situations lecturers should acknowledge that other people hold different views on this

From what I see on Twitter, there are a lot of early career academics who block anyone who doesn't hold identical views to them. They behave tribally and seem to live in genuine oblivion that their views are not shared by 99% of academics and even the wider public. The stunned incredulity at the outcome of the 2019 general election was a sight to behold.

Manderleyagain · 03/02/2021 11:35

There needs to be a network for students who feel the way you do OP.

Manderleyagain · 03/02/2021 11:33

OP if your friend could use her anonymous feedback to say something too I'm sure that would be helpful.

The worrying thing is that the young lecturer has taken her own opinion on this controversial issue to be 'the true opinion' and is putting that forward as a fact. It is worrying whatever the politics. She is entitled to her opinion, but I wonder if she has even properly encountered the alternatives? Really in these situations lecturers should acknowledge that other people hold different views on this, like they do if there is ever a discussion about religious faith. Replying with a blog by mermaids (I think they put out an article on why jkr was wrong/transphobic that was assertions and no real substance so I'm guessing it was that) suggests lack of own thought. It's so counter to the skills you would expect an academic to have. View all the evidence, assess it, compare it, try & understand the context and different perspectives....

I hope you get a positive reply from the course head. You have established for them that some students at least are not board with this approach.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 03/02/2021 11:23

This will happen if we allow it to happen. If it is not challenged then we have no hope.

Manderleyagain · 03/02/2021 11:15

@IheartJKR

I absolutely would not recommend op take this further if she wants to complete her degree. I’m currently studying an MA and they ALL openly discuss terfs, I’m called cis without question, open discussions about disgusting transphobia (dissenters from their opinion) - I’m required to put pronouns on introductions. A particularly harrowing module concerning violence by men against women was hijacked by a biological female - but non binary student- who presents as male, pronouns they - them. We were giving a warning at the beginning to be nice’ and that they’ were finding it very difficult that the sex they present as was being represented so negatively. At the end they were provided a platform to talk about how they are the real victims. They have never experienced actual violence, but they feel it around them and the potential is there.

That is just the first module.
It goes in and on and on.

Just wanted to reply to this. This is insane! And it shows how the new way of thinking works against the feminist project. Would a male student have been given the chance to say that about his sex being talked about negatively? No, because everyone can see that we do need to be able to talk about male violence in those terms.

I really hope you use your anonymous feedback to set out why this was so counterproductive to the course.

Daca · 03/02/2021 11:08

Apologies to all the 50/60 year olds who I have inadvertently offended. I’ll just never forget the malicious smile on the face of one of them when he coaxed a young female lecturer into going on a rant about these evil terfs ... he was loving every second of it.

AlfonsoTheSensible · 03/02/2021 10:42

I am appalled by the lecturer's original statement and response. This isn't education - it's indoctrination.

By all means speak out and complain to the department. Marking should be anonymous and second marked. There should also be clear criteria for how a mark is achieved - if there isn't, ask why there isn't.

dumpling23 · 03/02/2021 10:29

@GCAcademic

D) a not insignificant contingent of misogynist and possibly sexually problematic males in their 50s and 60s who are rubbing their hands with glee because those uppity women are finally getting what they deserve.

In my experience, the misogynist male academics tend to be in their 30s and 40s. The male professors in their 50s and 60s in my department are fully gender critical and not shy about saying so.

Completely agree - there's now a weird alliance amongst the older cohort - some are pretty old school conservatives and have never given much thought to women's rights, some are feminists, some are very left wing. This lot have never considered themselves allies. However, they are all now totally agreed on two points: that humans are a sexually dimorphic species AND that transgender ideology is worryingly totalitarian. In fact, this pretty much sums up the staff in views of my department (humanities subject, not gender studies) of all ages, with the exception of the A)s - the true believers, who are mostly young (but not all the young) and mostly female (but not all) - about six or seven people in a staff of nearly forty.
PlanDeRaccordement · 03/02/2021 10:09

@GCAcademic

D) a not insignificant contingent of misogynist and possibly sexually problematic males in their 50s and 60s who are rubbing their hands with glee because those uppity women are finally getting what they deserve.

In my experience, the misogynist male academics tend to be in their 30s and 40s. The male professors in their 50s and 60s in my department are fully gender critical and not shy about saying so.

Yes I agree with this. Those in 50/60s are late boomer, early Gen X and so would have had their grounding in the 80/90s which was a time when 2nd wave feminism gained a lot of ground and the men were more supportive. For example, my DH who is 55 was for most of his 20s a volunteer to protect women going to abortion clinics. He’s had bottles smashed on his head, been punched and kicked. (He is Chinese American).
GCAcademic · 03/02/2021 09:57

D) a not insignificant contingent of misogynist and possibly sexually problematic males in their 50s and 60s who are rubbing their hands with glee because those uppity women are finally getting what they deserve.

In my experience, the misogynist male academics tend to be in their 30s and 40s. The male professors in their 50s and 60s in my department are fully gender critical and not shy about saying so.

Daca · 03/02/2021 09:48

Hi OP, if you have not done so already, do forward the email you have received from your lecturer. (Well done for obtaining written evidence, btw.) There is no need for you to nail your colours to the mast - you can simply say that you have not made up your mind about this issue, as new evidence (such as the Keira Bell ruling) is constantly coming out, but you want to be able to think for yourself and not be indoctrinated.

In a way, it's good that this lecturer is a temporary fill-in for someone else because it won't bring up conflicts of loyalties, as in, how do you politely reprimand someone who is on a permanent contract, has worked in your department for ages, has done a lot for the institution and is unlikely to leave.

When I look at my department, I see a number of different camps:

A) the true believers (pronouns in bio, flags on office doors): a minority
B) the dissenters who have too much at stake to say anything, either because they don't have institutional power or because they have built their career on third wave feminism and are stuck now that it has gone off piste
C) the 'what the hell is this shit, I'm going to sit this out and swoop in as the voice of reason when it's all over' camp who are extremely pleased with themselves that they've never worked on gender and happily return to their research on medieval poetry/sociology of migration/food history/nuclear arms control. The bad news for this camp is that a) this isn't going away and b) if you question the existence of human sexual dimorphism you question the root of human existence itself, and this will leave few fields of research untouched.
D) a not insignificant contingent of misogynist and possibly sexually problematic males in their 50s and 60s who are rubbing their hands with glee because those uppity women are finally getting what they deserve.

You need to speak to B and C.

BrownFootStool · 03/02/2021 09:48

Oh I've just seen you emailed the head of the course-- not sure if that is the same lecturer but well done, I really hope it goes well for you.

BrownFootStool · 03/02/2021 09:45

I wouldn't email the lecturer directly as it could backfire on you-- I am sure you know what can happen to women who challenge the trans rhetoric. I'd hate for you to be targetted or downgraded.

What I would do is make a complaint about the lecturer through the proper channels and let them deal with it. The lecturer may be more likely to pay attention if it is official, rather than an email from a student

TabbyStar · 03/02/2021 09:31

Well done! I'm also happy to speak up if there's anything on my course, I'm doing it more for personal development, there are few consequences for me. I've only just started so nothing's come up yet, but I'm expecting it will. In other situations I'm quite vulnerable because of family and income but here I might quite enjoy being able to be open...!

EdgeOfACoin · 03/02/2021 08:44

[quote JoodyBlue]@EdgeOfACoin did you hear the one Triggernometry did with Professor Hicks? It was a good analysis of where we are. Pretty chilling though.[/quote]
Hi JoodyBlue, I've watched a lot of Triggernometry but haven't seen that one - I'll check it out.

Magpiemavis · 03/02/2021 08:31

Hi all thanks for your support! Am obviously a bit worried now about any fallout from this, but I think I’m tough enough to ride out any raps on the knuckles I might get. I’m in the lucky position of having a friend who is doing the same course as me and luckily shares my viewpoint on this! I sent an email to the head of the course explaining that I felt her references to JKR were unnecessary. So thanks to those who were helpful with what to say! And to all my fellow students who are to scared to speak out, I understand how totally shit it is - higher education seems to have a very totalitarian view of things.

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DisappearingGirl · 03/02/2021 08:21

I think it's good that you politely challenged it ... but personally I wouldn't try to argue any further with that specific lecturer, as neither of you is likely to change your mind. I'd probably send a short polite reply thanking them for responding.

Whether you want to take it further via another route is up to you ...

NonnyMouse1337 · 03/02/2021 08:10

There is no reasoning with zealots. Avoid pursuing any further now that you have a response to your initial email.

If you want, you can get in touch with this new project as they are looking to support free speech issues in schools and universities. Maybe they have some advice, but my view is to keep your head down for now.
freespeechchampions.com/get-advice/

A better course of action would be to try to find like-minded students at your university so you can form a trusted, secret support group / network and slowly build resistance that way. Be very careful who you reveal your views to. You may have to concede that you might find unlikely allies who don't necessarily share your political views i.e. they tend to be on the right, but still understand the value of liberal thought and freedom of expression.

Sign up for the newsletter for the Free Speech Champions project above so you are informed of upcoming events.

I would also recommend all young women at university who frequent this board to sign up to the following blog and try to get in touch with the young feminists behind it.
xxnetwork.co.uk/blog/

If you hadn't sent out that email to your lecturer, I would have suggested that you write an article for the XX blog about your university experience and clearly outline how this lecturer is pushing their politically motivated and ill informed agenda and bringing academia into disrepute.
Don't write any articles now though, as it would only expose you.

Your energy is better spent at the moment finding like-minded feminists and non-feminists who have the same concerns and building an underground network.

IheartJKR · 03/02/2021 08:10

*finger. Grin

IheartJKR · 03/02/2021 08:09

@SkeeterP

A fabulous much needed idea...please get your ginger out Grin

Where do I sign up ?

IheartJKR · 03/02/2021 08:08

@TabbyStar

I agree, I’m a survivor of ACE and not long ago suffered a violent attack from a male stranger in the street.
My real experiences of fear and abuse are apparently not really interesting or of concern compared to the ‘feelings’ of the minority.
It pisses me off because it’s distracting from the very real work needed to be done to tackle the very real existence of male violence.
Our young women who are currently being groomed in this ideology, the internalised misogyny that they are eating up in order to be on the ‘right’ side... how many assaults is it going to take before they call the police?
I fear for their futures.

SkeeterP · 03/02/2021 08:05

What a depressing state of affairs. I think I’m lucky in that the programmes I teach on attract a lot of international students and mature students so we do have a nice mix of perspectives and (mostly) mutual respect. Reassuringly, the assignments I’ve just read on gender constructs clearly indicate (1st year) students understand the difference between gender and biological sex, and that you can shift one but cannot change the other.

Myself and a colleague from another university are in the process of setting up a GC Academic Network which we hope will provide a space for people who work/study in HE to share their experiences (anonymously) and perhaps feel less isolated (this is one of the issues for me, personally). I just need to pull my finger out and get the website set up, but I’d welcome thoughts on whether this would be useful. If nothing else it could start to build a bank of evidence that staff AND students are being seriously impacted by this.

16purplecolour16 · 03/02/2021 07:50

There’s your dissertation topic and 18 months to really explore the debate.