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Humza Yousaf and Scottish Hate Crime Bill

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Pinkfreesias · 01/02/2021 18:51

Humza Yousaf, the Scottish Justice Secretary, has just tweeted that the recent amendments tabled on the Freedom Of Expression (Hate Crime) Bill will not now be moved on. Hugely disappointing for women speaking out might still be labelled hate criminals here in Scotland. And I can't help wondering if it's somehow linked to Joanna Cherry's sacking.

mobile.twitter.com/HumzaYousaf/status/1356299644553322497

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/02/2021 02:17

It's pretty pathetic how swift and total the reversals are. But again, informative.

Always.

Cailleach1 · 04/02/2021 23:38

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theskyispink · 04/02/2021 23:18

@WouldBeGood Ovarit.com - it's a gender critical discussion site for and by gender critical women. You need an invite code to be a member so just let me know if you want one

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2021 23:06

Oh, I'm sure we can think of something?

MN chant ... something to do with parking threads, maybe. Or an AIBU AIBU IBU YANBU IBU?

Bedtime for me.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 23:03

@ArabellaScott

I've been deleted, I think more than once, for discussing Saw You Last Tuesdays.

It's informative how much of a hot button issue it is.

Also that I see SNP MPs are now accusing Mumsnet of being one of the Things we Cannot Name. It's pretty pathetic how swift and total the reversals are. But again, informative.

Haha- but we don't even have a chant!

All good See You Later Tomorrows have a unquestionable chant

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 23:01

Things have gone further with legislation in Ireland- bit this lays out some of the issues the women there are now working against: thecountessdidntfightforthis.com/seven-pillars-of-concern/

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2021 23:00

I've been deleted, I think more than once, for discussing Saw You Last Tuesdays.

It's informative how much of a hot button issue it is.

Also that I see SNP MPs are now accusing Mumsnet of being one of the Things we Cannot Name. It's pretty pathetic how swift and total the reversals are. But again, informative.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 22:55

I don't know if there is "big money" behind anything. I think that a lot of the lobby groups advocating for taking away females sex-based rights have more power than grassroots woman's rights organisations, but I think that it is from a position of initially wanting to be kind, but failing to see the conflict of rights.

What we should be working together to advocate for is eg. good third spaces where they are needed (because eg. A transman like Elliott page shouldn't be expected to go to a male prison)

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2021 22:41

Try living here ritsue 🤦‍♀️

Merename · 04/02/2021 22:41

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

This is insane. Sinister and appalling. Every Scots person should vote conservative, keep these people out and worry about independence 5 years from now. Seriously, I can never go back to Scotland now.
Woah, now I completely agree with you that this is sinister and appalling. But vote conservative? No thanks.
lightand · 04/02/2021 22:23

@Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud and @MaudTheInvincible Thank you.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 04/02/2021 22:21

This is insane. Sinister and appalling. Every Scots person should vote conservative, keep these people out and worry about independence 5 years from now. Seriously, I can never go back to Scotland now.

MaudTheInvincible · 04/02/2021 22:16

@lightand

I havent read up much about current feminism in quite some time, but the subject heading on this thread caught my eye. I have sort of read the thread.

Who is at the forefront, going up in social/political/world circles whereever, of all of this? Does anyone know? Is it an organisation? A person, or group?
No one need bother to answer, if my question is actually quite stupid.

This is a good place to start reading https://www.the11thhourblog.com/post/all-roads-lead-to-arcus

Jennifer Bilek has done lots of work on this. It basically boils down to following the money.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 22:14

After seeing that a labour MP called someone a bigot this week for this person wanting to not have mixed sex prisons Shock, it seems what is allowed to be said or asked is gradually shrinking

WouldBeGood · 04/02/2021 22:14

Christ, I wouldn’t even box my 12 year old ds

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 22:10

@lightand

Where does the "MN external pressure" come from? Advertisers?
I think that people lurk hoping to get screenshots to prove that Mumsnet are filled with evil old bigoted hags (who eg. Think that females shouldn't have to compete against biological males in boxing), and then these people put pressure on advertisers etc.
WouldBeGood · 04/02/2021 22:01

What’s ovarit @theskyispink?

theskyispink · 04/02/2021 21:58

If you want somewhere where you can speak your kind, I have invite codes for Ovarit. If you're interested drop me a message.

lightand · 04/02/2021 21:31

Where does the "MN external pressure" come from? Advertisers?

lightand · 04/02/2021 21:29

I havent read up much about current feminism in quite some time, but the subject heading on this thread caught my eye.
I have sort of read the thread.

Who is at the forefront, going up in social/political/world circles whereever, of all of this? Does anyone know? Is it an organisation? A person, or group?
No one need bother to answer, if my question is actually quite stupid.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 04/02/2021 21:22

@MaudTheInvincible

Grin Cailleach1

MNHQ are walking a very fine line, YouSetTheTone, and have to deal with a lot of external pressure in order to allow these conversations happen here at all. They don't have to and very, very few sites would host us. We might moan but we're grateful they give us this platform. Reddit got rid of all their gender critical groups for example. Women frequently get banned from twitter for defending women's rights. It's a global concern.

I agree- Mumsnet HQ do a fab job. Reddit have disallowed any talk about women's rights that relates to biological women / banned subreddits and delete posts that go against a very strict narrative.

(Although obviously all the porn bits of reddit can still be "pictures of cis-women only"- because... Reasons Hmm)

YouSetTheTone · 04/02/2021 21:20

@MaudTheInvincible thanks for your response. I was too slow typing in the red mists of my anger!
I’m grateful that MN allow this in that context.

MichelleofzeResistance · 04/02/2021 21:18

in their opinion, fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it

Isn't that the bitter truth.

YouSetTheTone · 04/02/2021 21:18

I think you’re right @Cailleach1. If a school of thought was legitimate and held up to debate and scrutiny then why would people be afraid of this?

But seriously. Mumsnet. Why aren’t they brave enough to allow discussion? WHY are we even covertly discussing things like biological sex being real? Why is ‘word that rhymes with adult’ a BANNED word? I genuinely thought you meant cnt. Or cck. This is unreal.