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Joanna Cherry (SNP) sacked

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LittleRa · 01/02/2021 14:26

twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356233346565730304?s=21
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ArabellaScott · 04/02/2021 22:56

Jacob Rees Mogg, Nicola. Jacob Fucking Rees Mogg is making you look bad.

That was a reasonable speech from him and props for actually acknowledging the shite Cherry has been put through plus free speech.

Mind you, I don't get the 'moan a lot' - is that a pun, if so, it's pretty shit.

MissBarbary · 04/02/2021 22:48

@SunsetBeetch

Say what you like about JRM, but he understands the importance of free speech and of respecting those you disagree with.
Mhairi Black commented how helpful he had been to her when she first became an MP.
morningtoncrescent62 · 04/02/2021 22:22

This is nice. twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1357387444384133121

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2021 19:36

You are a protected cross dresser. Report as a hate crime anyone who says anything.

And in Scotland now that means even anyone in your house

😂😂

CharlieParley · 04/02/2021 19:36

^looked hard

CharlieParley · 04/02/2021 19:36

An SNP spokesman said: "Joanna Cherry was removed from the front bench because of unacceptable behaviour, which did not meet the standards expected of a front bench spokesperson - not because of the views she holds."

That's only because they couldn't find any evidence for transphobia and anti-semitism. They certainly look hard for it. And we know they did. So these briefings now about unacceptable behaviour are still about Joanna disagreeing with the leadership i.e. her views.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 04/02/2021 19:20

What if you are not wearing clothes which are stereotypically of the style worn by your sex, but, you are not cross dressing - just comfortable?

For instance, I am wearing a man's fleece, jumper and shirt and a pair of saggy old jogging bottoms, no bra and a pair of trainers today.

My pants are very sensible large kidney warmers, they are for women, but, that is the only thing that is.

Am I a cross dresser, or just a frump?

Is frumpiness a protected characteristic? Should it be?

Triphazards · 04/02/2021 19:04

Are cross-dressers only protected when they're cross-dressed?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 04/02/2021 18:53

Good grief.

I agree with Jacob Rees Mogg?

The world has actually gone mad.

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2021 18:52

What was her unacceptable behaviour and who was it unacceptable to ?

HeadPain · 04/02/2021 18:50

This is the Daily Record article:

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/joanna-cherry-praised-tory-jacob-23442625

"Joanna Cherry praised by Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg as he stirs up SNP infighting.

The Conservative leader of the Commons lauded Joanna Cherry at length and took the opportunity to call Nicola Sturgeon a 'moan a lot' one more time....
....
...An SNP spokesman said: "Joanna Cherry was removed from the front bench because of unacceptable behaviour, which did not meet the standards expected of a front bench spokesperson - not because of the views she holds."

Hmmm, yeah right!

HeadPain · 04/02/2021 18:31

No problem. You're welcome.

merrymouse · 04/02/2021 18:25

The other issue is that cross-dressing is often offensive and used to denigrate women, and lets be honest, trans people. How is this law supposed to work?

SunsetBeetch · 04/02/2021 18:24

Say what you like about JRM, but he understands the importance of free speech and of respecting those you disagree with.

merrymouse · 04/02/2021 18:23

I don't understand why they need to include cross-dressers.

If hate crime is defined by intent, surely the only relevant question is whether the perpetrator thinks the target is trans?

On the other hand, if you specifically include cross dressers presumably that means cross-dressers are protected regarded of whether somebody thinks they are trans.

Given that women tend to suffer abuse regardless of what they wear, this seems to be a specific bit of legislation designed to protect men, which is....odd.

Thingybob · 04/02/2021 18:19

Thanks for the link Headpain and thanks for explaining who moan-a-lot is.

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2021 18:16

Thanks headpain for doing this

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2021 18:15

Well that’s the speech that sturgeon should have mad or yousaf

Not a squeak from them

HeadPain · 04/02/2021 18:04

Oh I saw a mistake already,

"may I commend her courage in standing up for freedom speech and putting forward her views,"

freedom of speech, obviously.

The Daily Record decides to go with headline: "Joanna Cherry praised by Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg as he stirs up SNP infighting"

HeadPain · 04/02/2021 17:58

[quote HeadPain]Video of Joanna Cherry and Jacob Rees Mogg in Parliament today talking about this situation

m.youtube.com/watch?v=-AmVkVQs5Ag[/quote]
Transcript here. I just did this, so apologies for any mistakes, but I don't think I made any.

Joanna Cherry: Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. Across our society and particularly in universities and the third sector, women, and some men, are losing their jobs, having their positions undermined, and their personal safety put in jeopardy, simply for questioning the ideology that any man can self identify as a woman and for speaking up for women's sex based rights under the Equality Act. Does the Leader of the House agree with me that all democrats should condemn such attacks on free speech and can we have a debate about free speech and the importance of sex as a protected characteristic under the Equality Act.

Jacob Rees-Mogg: Madam Deputy Speaker, may I begin by saying how sorry I am that the Honourable Lady has left the SNP front bench. Not because I regularly agree with her, because I don't think that I do. But because she has made it clear that she is one of the most intelligent and careful scrutinisers of Government, not just on her benches but in this House. And when I was on the Brexit Select Committee with her, her analysis and her questioning were, dare I say this, dare I admit this, second to none. And as I believe good Government depends on careful scrutiny, her removal from office is a loss to our democratic system. Dare I say, perhaps ungraciously that moan-a-lot [his nickname for Nicola Sturgeon] is responsible for this and it may be for reasons of internal SNP politicking, but to come to the Honourable Lady's point, free speech is fundamental and it is disgraceful that the Honourable Lady received threats for her views and from her removal from office, to the extent where the police had to be involved. Every member of this House should feel safe in whatever they say as long as it is within the law and is not effectively threatening violence. What is said in this House is of course completely protected, but it is outrageous that the Honourable Lady should've been placed in this position and can I commit to supporting freedom of speech? Absolutely Madam Deputy Speaker I can, that is what this this place exists for. That is what underpins our democracy. And much that I disagree with her on so many things, may I commend her courage in standing up for freedom speech and putting forward her views, clearly in a difficult and sensitive area but one where she has a right to be heard.

Tootsweets23 · 04/02/2021 17:56

Quite @SunsetBeetch. How on earth they expect to stitch a party or movement back together after this is beyond me. Never mind run the country.

theskyispink · 04/02/2021 17:34

[quote vivariumvivariumsvivaria]I hope Lucy fancies swimming then, and see how that is handled...

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lucy-vallender-uk-transgender-muslim-woman-territorial-army_n_3868479?ri18n=true[/quote]
Wild article. Person gets married.

"LGTB group" I see they've leapfrogged the bisexuals now

Also, is this person gunning to fill out every tick-box out there? Converting to Islam, converting to transgenderism... Did they join the Army to lose a limb, too?

SunsetBeetch · 04/02/2021 17:33

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

I really object to cross-dressing - a male sexual fetish - being legally protected from criticism. What would be next - wearing your rubber gear to work?
And wanking in the work toilets? Hmm
SunsetBeetch · 04/02/2021 17:32

I wish I could remember which poster merely posted this smilie ---> Hmm at me when I said a few months ago that the SNP was going to tear itself apart over thos issue.

Because lo and fucking behold.

God, what a shitshow.

HeadPain · 04/02/2021 17:23

Video of Joanna Cherry and Jacob Rees Mogg in Parliament today talking about this situation

m.youtube.com/watch?v=-AmVkVQs5Ag