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Joanna Cherry (SNP) sacked

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LittleRa · 01/02/2021 14:26

twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356233346565730304?s=21
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Cismyfatarse · 01/02/2021 20:37

Her biggest crime is being a woman who does not bow down to the mighty penis. She says what she sees and combined that with a fierce intelligence and a deep seated understanding of the law.

Shame she is pro independence which I cannot support as in every other way she is perfect. And being criticised for being pushy / bossy / strident is just a way of telling a woman to get back in her box.

NecessaryScene1 · 01/02/2021 20:32

@Meredithgrey1

I feel like I came into this story halfway and haven’t been able to find out what she did? Can anyone explain, google isn’t being overly helpful
This article is probably good background:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/sturgeon-s-purge-why-joanna-cherry-had-to-go/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Summary:

she was and remains an outspoken supporter of Alex Salmond

she is sometimes talked up as a potential successor or challenger to Sturgeon as SNP leader

perhaps Cherry’s biggest sin is that she is a gender-critical feminist

PartyofPun · 01/02/2021 20:22

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

One party source said: "It's not surprising that Joanna has chosen to play a victim rather than supporting colleagues who have an exciting chance to cover the brief."

This must be one of the most stupid comments ive ever heard

Utter gaslighting.

Dismissive of her and prioritising others. Singling her out (this would not be said to a male). Labelling her. Emotional language. Twisting the narrative.

MiddlesexGirl · 01/02/2021 20:17

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

Why aren’t my italics working?
Because you used paragraphs. Each paragraph needs the ^ symbols.
Winterlight · 01/02/2021 20:09

One party source said: "It's not surprising that Joanna has chosen to play a victim rather than supporting colleagues who have an exciting chance to cover the brief."

Like an abusive husband divorcing his wife:

Why can’t you be happy for me? It means some lucky women now have an exciting chance to sleep with me.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/02/2021 20:09

Cherry's twitter...

"Action & inaction have consequences. Tonight I’ve received a vicious threat from a man to my personal safety. The matter has been reported to Police Scotland & I’m somewhere safe. Thank you for all the lovely messages of support"

Im sure there will be a wee unscripted video from NS condemning this, just like she condemned the abuse towards Cherry et al last time (spoiler, she didn't)

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/02/2021 20:06

@Meredithgrey1, you might find it illuminating to spend time on the Wings over Scotland blog. I can't vouch for how true any of his recent reports are, but taken together with Joanna Cherry being sacked from her front bench role and Nicola Sturgeon's odd and desperate video appeal to transactivisits leaving the SNP last week, I'm getting the impression of a party which is falling apart and a leader who is clinging on to power for dear life.

Alec Salmond gives evidence next week to the enquiry into how he came to be charged with all those allegations of sexual assault by other party members. He was found not guilty on most and not proven on one. Now, that's nothing new in cases of sexual assault. We all know that the conviction rate is pitifully low. However, Wings has a link to some startling allegations about how the case came to be put together. Ex-ambassador Craig Murray says the media utterly failed to report most of the defence evidence, which is odd if true, as by his account it was devastating to the prosecution's case - cast iron evidence that some of his accusers couldn't have been where they said they were at the time of the alleged incidents, etc.

Mr Murray's suggestion may be fanciful but he says he wonders if Nicola Sturgeon is worried that AS may make yet another attempt to be elected as Party Leader (he's had two previous stints). Hence the pro-NS faction feeling that it was important to destroy AS's reputation for good and all.

Meanwhile, Joanna Cherry is a staunch ally of Salmond and would be a top contender to replace NS as leader should it come to a contest. JC's gender critical views are therefore a convenient stick to beat her with as NS has (inexplicably) thrown her lot in with the activists who are trying to get the SNP to adopt gender self-ID and all that goes with it.

I used to be an admirer of NS. She seemed a much better bet than Boris Johnson (of course, this isn't saying much). But now I'm getting the sense that the SNP has not managed the pandemic crisis well. The death rate in Scotland's major cities is high. The vaccination rate is low. It's extraordinary that with a once-in-a-century crisis to handle that the SNP has decided to push through a hate crimes bill which is so abysmally drafted that they are having to backtrack on key provisions every week.

OvaHere · 01/02/2021 19:48

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

Why aren’t my italics working?
You have to put the ^ at the end of every line.
Meredithgrey1 · 01/02/2021 19:46

I feel like I came into this story halfway and haven’t been able to find out what she did? Can anyone explain, google isn’t being overly helpful

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/02/2021 19:46

Oh, Man Intimidates Woman. FFS. As per.

If ye need it, ah'll gie ye haunners, Joanna.

PronounssheRa · 01/02/2021 19:42

mobile.twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356322899364376576

Joanna has received threats to her safety.
Sturgeon has lost control, the SNP is now run by misogynists and identity politics ideologues.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/02/2021 19:41

SNP imploding? I thought that Alex Massie Times article from the other day summed the position up very well.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alex-massie-sturgeons-trans-action-puts-her-credit-at-risk-0qvd2jk3d (there's a share token for this on a thread about it, I think)

As a catch-all party with only one condition for admittance — a belief in independence — the SNP typically goes to great lengths to avoid disappointing anyone. So long as you keep the faith on the national question, other matters are up for negotiation. The party has a strikingly limited intellectual or philosophical hinterland. As such, it lacks first principles upon which to base its world view and, being devoid of these, it finds itself lost when warring principles or positions collide.

Excellent article also in The Spectator today by Stephen Daisley, which concludes::

Announcing ‘his’ reshuffle today, Sturgeon’s Westminster footman Ian Blackford said ‘team working and cooperation are key to ensure results’, a statement that doesn’t require much reading between the lines. It speaks to an intolerance of dissent inside the SNP, a party which once prided itself on its love of a good rammy. The SNP under Sturgeon is infinitely more presidential, managerial, and clique-driven than New Labour under Tony Blair. (At least New Labour believed in — and, more importantly, did — things.)

We might have to borrow similar phrasing when talking about Nicola Sturgeon’s party (and it decidedly is her party). The Old SNP (1934–2014) went through major upheavals and ideological pivots under the ascendancy of one faction or another, from sovereigntism to ‘Independence in Europe’, economic and social rightishness to economic and social leftishness, but it remained a party in which the grassroots still mattered and internal debate was (grudgingly) tolerated.

Under Sturgeon, the New SNP (2014-present) is personality-led, elite-driven, and ruled by a doctrine that cannot be found anywhere in the party’s constitution (yet) but which holds more sway than fusty old rulebooks drawn up in fusty old conference halls and voted on by fusty old delegates.

It is a doctrine I call ‘coercive progressivism’ and is a total ideology of identity, culture and values that places these matters, rather than economic or social affairs, at the heart of politics and seeks to enforce its marginal orthodoxy on the mainstream by way of law, social pressure and institutional capture. It is, at root, a post-liberal and post-democratic movement. And it brooks not a peep of disagreement, which is why the foremost talent on the SNP frontbench is no longer on the SNP frontbench.

RadandMad · 01/02/2021 19:20

Plenty of wee misogynist bairns on Twitter tonight.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 19:06

Why aren’t my italics working?

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 19:05

^I had hoped we might be able to escape the effects of Brexit via independence. Clearly only by sacrificing women's rights.

In which case, fuck off, independence.^

it’s such a massive failure of leadership to let things get this far. I’ve seen the same view expressed on the “other side”, for want of a better word - if Scotland can’t prioritise trans rights then they don’t want independence.

surely someone could have banged heads together several years ago and said look, independence first, then we decide all our policies for ourselves.

ArabellaScott · 01/02/2021 18:57

@Clymene

When Brexit was on the cards, I really thought Scotland might be the place where equality actually meant something, a chance to build a new, better future.

Sturgeon has totally blown it. What an absolute dunderhead she is.

I had hoped we might be able to escape the effects of Brexit via independence. Clearly only by sacrificing women's rights.

In which case, fuck off, independence.

TiredUselessHopeless · 01/02/2021 18:52

A huge majority of the most vocal SNP supporters on social media seem to be nasty, angry middle aged men. This hardly comes as a surprise, it’s what the SNP have made of theirselves and they will allow theirselves to be controlled by that pressure.

HandsOffMyRights · 01/02/2021 18:51

Fuck's sake.
I'm sorry Joanna.
You have more integrity than any of them.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 01/02/2021 18:48

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

Bit coming up on R4 imminent... radio may fly out of the window...
I turned it off even though it is a bad news story for SNP...can't stand them at all.
dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 01/02/2021 18:46

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

One party source said: "It's not surprising that Joanna has chosen to play a victim rather than supporting colleagues who have an exciting chance to cover the brief."

This must be one of the most stupid comments ive ever heard

It's a cult like comment. Very worrying no freedom of thought whatsoever.
andyoldlabour · 01/02/2021 18:43

Some of you may not like George Galloway, but he takes some stick on his twitter page for standing up for women.

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1356225944818741248

littlbrowndog · 01/02/2021 18:38

Now we have this. Humza has caved in

Joanna Cherry (SNP) sacked
chestnutSquash · 01/02/2021 18:29

So upset and disgusted by this. She is such an intelligent, brave and pricipled woman. This is the sort of person we desperately need in government.

Lizzie523 · 01/02/2021 18:29

It is with a heavy heart I will not be voting for them in May.

Gt345 · 01/02/2021 18:23

Have sent her my support

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