SNP lists - attacks on Joan McAlpine

@prisencolinensinainciusol2 it follows on from the NS video the other night. An emergency meeting of the NEC was called. They didn’t agree that at the weekend, but did vote against legal advice so that they could self identify as disabled to get on the lists. It’s really bizarre.

I definitely qualify as disabled by SNP criteria and I DO NOT WANT THIS REPRESENTATION.

If disability representation means electing incompetent shouty loudmouth transactivist green haired fuckwits who say they have BPD then I would prefer to have less of it. This will have the inevitable effect of rewarding shameless scammers.

Plus, having self-identified disabled people as disability representatives is about as effective as having self-identified women as female representatives. Different disability groups have very different needs and the more severely disabled or the people less inclined to use disability as a political label will end up entirely unrepresented while the shouty green haired fuckwits claim to speak for their interests.

I like and admire Cherry, whilst also disagreeing with lots of her politics.

I would rather UK continues with Scotland as part of it; however, it is in everyone's interests for the SNP to have a leader that can be trusted to tell the truth as it is.

Hopefully, Joanna Cherry will be able to speak her mind more freely on lots of subjects, other than independence, and could there be something positive from this?

There are plenty of other places to share views on the merits or otherwise of dissolving the union

yes, agree

What the fuck is "an emergency definition of transphobia" when it's at home?

Thanks everyone who answered my questions about how broader SNP members/policies relate to the self-ID movement. I just saw on twitter that Joanna Cherry has been fired from the front bench.

twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356233346565730304?s=20

To be back on topic - it is dreadful that Joan is being targeted like this - she's an outstanding advocate for women and girls. Hopefully the more light that is shone on this policy, the more people will complain.

For anyone who wants to read for themselves what is and isn't true about NHS privatisation, below is a whole website dedicated to analysing the facts of the issue. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the SNP, or Scottish independence. Or Scotland, actually.

lowdownnhs.info/analysis/long-read/the-history-of-privatisation-part-1/

This NHS being privatised in England claim is a good example of the culture the SNP have fostered. It just isn't true, and there are tonnes of similar untruths that they have pushed and encouraged. Many of them utterly ridiculous like secret oil fields or whisky taxes. Others are plausible such as Scotland paying for the London Olympics or crossrail, however in the Scottish governments own figures all their examples show Scotland contributes zero.

It is this culture of untruths that has led to this situation with TRAs and women's rights and the toxicity surrounding it. You can't question anything because to do so will cause the whole edifice to fall over.

The main problem for Scotland with constant banging on about 'IndyRef 2' and blatant failure to respect the 'once in a lifetime' outcome in 2014, is that no one wants to invest any more money in Scotland. Why would a doctor from England/Wales move to Scotland and buy a house with the constant threat of separation hanging over them? Ditto higher rate taxpayers already here, wondering at what point they need to sell up and move back to another part of the UK for their retirement so they don't have to worry so much about politics and switch the tv off everytime a certain someone appears because they are still traumatised from 2014.

I am so sad that Joan McAlpine has been targeted, she's only been doing her job! She was chair I believe of the census committee on sex vs gender.

Lots of private ambulances about for a start.

Just want to point out that if we didn't have devolution, Scotland's NHS would have been privatised alongside NHS England

Just want to point out that the NHS in England has not been privatised just because some services might be provided by private companies. And apparently what you have said about there being no privatisation in Scotland is incorrect anyway.

Given McAlpine's wiki entry she clearly would not support from me anyway.

I have read about it thanks.

@MoltenLasagne yes, cognitive dissonance

Yeah tootsweet.

Look at Edinburgh children’s hospital. ERI

Cal Mac ferries

The new bridge which keeps getting closed due to ice dropping off it

That betrayal by Labour cost the party so many votes across the entire UK, the Tories won with a landslide.

So you could say a Scottish Labour MP ushered in Thatcher if you like, but the SNP didn't.

Errrr the SNP massively use PFI contracts in the NHS (and in general, they just don't call them PFI). Plus the tories in England have increased NHS spending over the past decade by a greater percentage than the SNP has of NHS Scotland.

What is happening on my view is the SNP chickens are coming home to roost. They created a culture where mare up nonsense was given credence at the highest level, and anyone not in the camp was treated dreadfully. I appreciate those in the independence movement had a lovely civic and joyous time, but for the rest of us it has been ghastly and divisive.

So this is where they've ended up. It is awful to watch but possibly inevitable.

I don't want to digress further from the OP, but you do realise it was the SNP that got thatcher's bum on the seat?

Just want to point out that if we didn't have devolution, Scotland's NHS would have been privatised alongside NHS England. Whatever you think of independence, that is hugely important. The health authority in Scotland that at first simply refused to comply with Thatcher's new rules were forced to comply eventually, but after devolution in 1999 they reversed the process and brought services back in-house. That was Labour of course, but every Scottish Government since has stuck to that policy.

(And yes, most people are wholly unaware of just how far that privatisation has already progressed since Thatcher started it in the 80s, because care remains free of charge at the point of use and the name remains the same. NHS privatisation is no less destructive and costly just because it hasn't been turned into an American style healthcare system.)

From her wiki entry:

In January 2012, McAlpine stated that individuals who criticised the policies of the SNP were 'anti-Scottish', provoking widespread condemnation from other political parties.[15] In March 2012, McAlpine compared Scotlands' position in the UK with a woman in an abusive marriage with a domineering man and stated that rival political parties were behaving in a sexist and misogynistic manner.[15]

It goes to show how much people allow themselves to do bad things if they believe themselves to be righteous.

It seems to go like this "I want to do this highly questionable/possibly illegal thing but I am not a bad person. Because I am a good person, the thing I think needs doing must in fact be a good thing. Anyone who questions me doing this thing must therefore be a bad person."