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Oatly takes out ad in The Guardian to mock 'desperately out of touch' parents about pronouns in email signatures

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theskyispink · 31/01/2021 20:53

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Take a drink - another drinks company goes ultra-woke.

Oatly takes out ad in The Guardian to mock 'desperately out of touch' parents about pronouns in email signatures
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Sophoclesthefox · 22/02/2021 18:33

Well, I guess they really have set their stall out by actually calling it the department of mind control 🤣 I suppose I am just too much of a gimmer to get how subversive and marvellous that is.

The Oatly shelf was untouched in Sainsbos today, whereas alpro was on offer for £1, and I took the last three.

PurpleHoodie · 22/02/2021 18:10

Very true Daisies.

PurpleHoodie · 22/02/2021 18:10

Oh wow Terfy.

He told you to fuck off.

Oatley Ratner.

Oatner.

Ratley.

Take your pick.

DaisiesandButtercups · 22/02/2021 17:25

Thanks for posting Xanthangum and Terfy.

I am sure that I read a book once about how all corporations basically function in a similar way to psychopaths.

Still we’ve got to eat, drink and wear clothes. I have a recipe for homemade oat milk. Avoiding processed and branded foods as much as possible is a good goal I think. Food in as natural a state as possible ideally grown as close to home as possible is a good idea for most people from a health and ethical point of view. Not easy with a busy modern life but a good ideal to aim for in my opinion.

Terfy · 22/02/2021 16:59

I got a reply. Totally dismissive, and sarcastic.

Oatly takes out ad in The Guardian to mock 'desperately out of touch' parents about pronouns in email signatures
Abhannmor · 22/02/2021 16:47

@SerendipityJane

You reminded me of a true story shared by an old advertising copywriter, Jerry della Femina. His company had landed the National Panasonic account .Back then being a Japanese firm was a drawback credibility wise. Japanese goods were regarded as cheap copies of things made in the West - and then there was the War. So in a brainstorming session with the top executives della Femina said ' hey I got a slogan, the whole campaign can be built on this slogan' What is it Jerry ? - ' From those wonderful people who brought you Pearl Harbour!' Silence. Of course nobody said it was a great slogan , for obvious reasons. But neither did anyway say it was in awful taste. And worst of all , he thought , nobody laughed. Later he realised they were all frozen with fear : what if the boss liked it ? Such is the wacky world of PR.

I heard a tale that after the Jonestown tragedy, a marketing executive noted that the poison used was made by his firm, and telexed the director to suggest they use the pictures in adverts (possibly in a black humour vein). The reply was that it made good sense but was unlikely to lead to repeat business.

Ha...at least there is some evidence of a sense of humour at work there ! Grin
SerendipityJane · 22/02/2021 16:11

You reminded me of a true story shared by an old advertising copywriter, Jerry della Femina. His company had landed the National Panasonic account .Back then being a Japanese firm was a drawback credibility wise. Japanese goods were regarded as cheap copies of things made in the West - and then there was the War. So in a brainstorming session with the top executives della Femina said ' hey I got a slogan, the whole campaign can be built on this slogan' What is it Jerry ? - ' From those wonderful people who brought you Pearl Harbour!' Silence. Of course nobody said it was a great slogan , for obvious reasons. But neither did anyway say it was in awful taste. And worst of all , he thought , nobody laughed. Later he realised they were all frozen with fear : what if the boss liked it ? Such is the wacky world of PR.

I heard a tale that after the Jonestown tragedy, a marketing executive noted that the poison used was made by his firm, and telexed the director to suggest they use the pictures in adverts (possibly in a black humour vein). The reply was that it made good sense but was unlikely to lead to repeat business.

SirSamuelVimes · 22/02/2021 15:59

What the fuck?!?!

Xanthangum · 22/02/2021 15:54

I was wondering which agency came up with this whole concept and discovered....

... they fired the whole traditional marketing team and "reinvented" their own 'Department of Mind Control'.

www.contagious.com/io/article/oatly-department-mind-control

The arrogance of the man in this video is utterly breathtaking. I will not be giving them a second chance.

Abhannmor · 22/02/2021 15:19

@Bythemillpond

What always astonishes me in these type of things is that I presume many people came up with this “advert”. Many educated people with qualifications and degrees. And yet no one questioned why it might not be a good idea to be snotty about the people who actually buy their product.
You reminded me of a true story shared by an old advertising copywriter, Jerry della Femina. His company had landed the National Panasonic account .Back then being a Japanese firm was a drawback credibility wise. Japanese goods were regarded as cheap copies of things made in the West - and then there was the War. So in a brainstorming session with the top executives della Femina said ' hey I got a slogan, the whole campaign can be built on this slogan' What is it Jerry ? - ' From those wonderful people who brought you Pearl Harbour!' Silence. Of course nobody said it was a great slogan , for obvious reasons. But neither did anyway say it was in awful taste. And worst of all , he thought , nobody laughed. Later he realised they were all frozen with fear : what if the boss liked it ? Such is the wacky world of PR.
TheBuffster · 22/02/2021 14:52

Interestingly I noticed that there was a lot less alpro and virtually full Oatly shelves on my last shop. Coincidence?

SirSamuelVimes · 22/02/2021 14:50

I agree that apologies need to be accepted, but I think there's a place for the old adage, "actions speak louder than words". The action that caused me to think they are wankers idiots was the ad campaign. So, I'm looking for a proportionate action, not just an apology (though that is nice to have). Basically, get your house in order, put out ads that actually appeal to your target market and stop spouting shit. Do that for a bit and I'll think about buying what your company is selling. Prove to me that you don't view me with contempt, don't just tell me.

TheBuffster · 22/02/2021 14:50

Looking at their Twitter feed it seems they are mainly going down the 'Our key customer base know we are joking, sorry you're--too square-- offended.

I have no email response yet, but as I signed off thirty plus bigoted breeder I think my reply might be a bit differentGrin

Leafstamp · 22/02/2021 14:35

@Bythemillpond

The pig headed part of me though, thinks that large businesses should know better because supposedly they are educated and trained to do a job and surely these things get discussed with at least one other and then get signed off at a higher level? If that many people/links in the chain are getting it so wrong then it makes me suspicious of the culture within the company

I imagine there were people who thought this wasn’t a good idea but the pendulum has swung so far that to question whether the advert was really a good idea would have probably got them thrown out of not just the company but been black balled from ever working in advertising again.

Yes, you're probably right. So depressing. Which kind of leads on to the other active thread on this board about when will this all end?

Answer: Not bloody soon enough!

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 22/02/2021 14:30

I stopped buying when they sold out to blackstone. We bought about £15 of Oatly a week . If everyone stopped buying then they'd feel it. Like they say, go woke go broke. They have been downright rude to customers. I hope they fold.

VienneseWhirligig · 22/02/2021 14:23

Well that is fucking offensive

Bythemillpond · 22/02/2021 14:15

The pig headed part of me though, thinks that large businesses should know better because supposedly they are educated and trained to do a job and surely these things get discussed with at least one other and then get signed off at a higher level? If that many people/links in the chain are getting it so wrong then it makes me suspicious of the culture within the company

I imagine there were people who thought this wasn’t a good idea but the pendulum has swung so far that to question whether the advert was really a good idea would have probably got them thrown out of not just the company but been black balled from ever working in advertising again.

PinkFondantFancy · 22/02/2021 14:15

@Bythemillpond crossed posts, totally agree with you!

PinkFondantFancy · 22/02/2021 14:13

Fair enough that they at least responded politely unlike eg innocent people who just get even more offensive the more people question them.

That advert is tone deaf though and I won't be buying more of their products. Even the tumble drier bit pissed me off - whose clothes are in the tumble drier in my house?? Mostly not mine that's for sure. Don't like how much your parents run the tumble drier? Fuck off and wash your own clothes then.

I find it incredible the number of people that must have reviewed and signed that off before it was published and noone spoke up that it sucked??

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 22/02/2021 14:09

@Blue5238 is it Oato? If so , you are in for a treat!

PotholeParadies · 22/02/2021 14:05

They don't get given a second chance. They will have to work for it. Or so I would say, if I drank oat milk.

One polite respectful letter that happens to be shared on a message board should be not enough to get multiple customers back.

DaisiesandButtercups · 22/02/2021 14:00

This is problem with wider culture in advertising as well as other spheres. It is not just this one company. Their response is a breath of fresh. I wish more companies would focus more on just selling their product and less on pushing whatever agenda they think is currently the most trendy, world peace or otherwise.

PinkyParrot · 22/02/2021 13:55

I absolutely don't think you can give them a second chance .
The public have little control over clever advertising - and if we can give them a bloody nose once in a blue moon (and it's rare that we can influence anyone- whilst processed food sellers and supermarkets can constantly spew bollox about how they are putting the shopper/ public/ consumer first when obviously as a profit making business their shareholders / otofits come first) then we should do it .
They'll tread more warily in the future and actually just maybe listen to our views

Leafstamp · 22/02/2021 13:43

x-posted @Bythemillpond

I agree with you!

Leafstamp · 22/02/2021 13:43

Oh, without questions, people and groups are allowed to be mistaken etc.

The pig headed part of me though, thinks that large businesses should know better because supposedly they are educated and trained to do a job and surely these things get discussed with at least one other and then get signed off at a higher level? If that many people/links in the chain are getting it so wrong then it makes me suspicious of the culture within the company.