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The audacity of this... requesting erasure of word "women".

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HeadPain · 31/01/2021 17:12

If anyone is keeping a record of the many instances of individuals and organisations attempting to stop the use of the word "woman" to describe women/women's services, here's another example...

"Hi President Biden! Thank you so much for doing this. I'm wondering if you could adjust your wording from "women's healthcare" to "healthcare for people who get pregnant and bleed". I am a (trans) woman but dont need these services. Thank you for your work!"

mobile.twitter.com/Leyanelle/status/1355813466469261312

Note this isn't an attack on that individual and I don't want to focus on them , but their statement which is far from an unusual phenomenon unfortunately, and organisations are even willfully doing it.

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 01/02/2021 10:48

Ah yes, people who get pregnant and bleed. Now who's reducing people to their biological functions.

MichelleofzeResistance · 01/02/2021 10:24

It seems like Biological women are only allowed to use the word woman when it involves things that transwomen can do too

Which would imply by logic that biologically female women are not included in this new and inclusive version of womanhood, and that this form of womanhood is not intersectional.

Ok, if the new ground is that female women are other and excluded and separate (from womanhood as defined under this sense), we're back to where we started aren't we? There are females and there are transwomen, they are different groups, with different needs, transwomen wish to have their own definitions and be separate from biological women because of biological difference - I can wholly respect that. Let's relabel as female all the things necessary to make the distinction such as female health care and female changing spaces and crack on with that model.

AryaStarkWolf · 31/01/2021 23:05

@iklboo

healthcare for people who get pregnant and bleed".

WTA&UF? Not all WOMEN get pregnant. Not all WOMEN bleed? These WOMEN still need healthcare services.

I thought 'trans women are women' anyway...so what's their problem with the word WOMEN?

It seems like Biological women are only allowed to use the word woman when it involves things that transwomen can do too
nepeta · 31/01/2021 20:06

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Step by step, they intend to take everything that belongs to women. They must be amazed at how easy it’s been so far. Every surrender to their demands encourages them to push for more.

100% this.

I never thought this would be the case, but I must sadly agree. Each compromise so far has resulted in more demands.
nepeta · 31/01/2021 20:04

@Linearpark

Clearly, it is appropriate that there exists a short, simple word that denotes half the human population - those of the type from which all human beings came forth at their birth. What word are we to have then? Why should "feminine" people have the word. In fact does that mean that I as a non-feminine woman should be called a man? Why shouldn't the female sex have the word? It so obviously makes sense.
Exactly. It is also the age-old meaning of 'women.' And it is necessary because discrimination on the basis of sex or apparent sex is widespread in this world.

I was thinking of the female erasure in the trans theories recently and realised that we are all being erased if we define ourselves as women on the basis of the sex of our bodies. That is no longer allowed among the wokerati. Yet erasing the gender identities of others is a bannable crime in social media.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 31/01/2021 20:03

Some people really need to be told no...

Im guessing they haven’t heard that word much,

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/01/2021 19:34

Yes, I wondered if this might possibly get through to him. Misguided optimism, I guess.

misscockerspaniel · 31/01/2021 19:03

Is it too much to hope that Biden gets to see this obnoxious tweet and that it makes him stop and think?

Linearpark · 31/01/2021 18:52

Clearly, it is appropriate that there exists a short, simple word that denotes half the human population - those of the type from which all human beings came forth at their birth. What word are we to have then? Why should "feminine" people have the word. In fact does that mean that I as a non-feminine woman should be called a man? Why shouldn't the female sex have the word? It so obviously makes sense.

MoltenLasagne · 31/01/2021 18:33

Its all sunshine, let people see what it's really about rather than "we just want to pee".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/01/2021 18:28

Step by step, they intend to take everything that belongs to women. They must be amazed at how easy it’s been so far. Every surrender to their demands encourages them to push for more.

100% this.

HeadPain · 31/01/2021 18:24

Biden didn't even write "women's healthcare" btw, he wrote: "Today, I issued a Presidential Memorandum to protect and expand access to reproductive health care. I am fully committed to protecting women’s health here at home and around the world." mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1354953657796722693

So this person was asking to change wording that wasn't actually there

""Hi President Biden! Thank you so much for doing this. I'm wondering if you could adjust your wording from "women's healthcare" to "healthcare for people who get pregnant and bleed". I am a (trans) woman but dont need these services. Thank you for your work!"

mobile.twitter.com/Leyanelle/status/1355813466469261312

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HeadPain · 31/01/2021 18:20

Biden didn't even write "women's healthcare" btw, he wrote "Today, I issued a Presidential Memorandum to protect and expand access to reproductive health care. I am fully committed to protecting women’s health here at home and around the world." mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1354953657796722693

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NotFabulousDarling · 31/01/2021 18:10

@Mustreadabook I would have thought women's health is more than that, though? Would it not include mammograms? Sexual health/contraception? Post-natal mental health (e.g. post-natal psychosis, post-natal OCD, post-natal depression)? Treating female victims of male sexual violence? If women's health was just the reproductive system, surely we already have a word for that: "gynaecology."

MichelleofzeResistance · 31/01/2021 18:09

Three discussed bits of evidence on the board this weekend:

what the world would be like if no c* people existed for a week

the youtuber whose long and detailed rant about the resented privilege of c* (female) women taking resources away from more the deserving types of women includes a version of feminism that has no interest in female people

  • This: please can female health care not be included in womens healthcare.

The pattern's pretty obvious.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 31/01/2021 18:08

Step by step, they intend to take everything that belongs to women. They must be amazed at how easy it’s been so far. Every surrender to their demands encourages them to push for more.

CaraDuneRedux · 31/01/2021 18:06

Never was Magdalen Burns' "Fuck off you wanker" more appropriate.

But as others have said, I think we're just looking at a raging narcissist on a desperate quest for supply.

Mustreadabook · 31/01/2021 18:05

I’m not sure I like the term ‘women’s healthcare’ though. Presumable what they actually mean is healthcare related to the female reproductive system. And dispute what they used to think in Victorian times, women do have other health needs too and we are not just a hysterical womb! It’s a euphemism, and could be more descriptive. So you go to ‘female reproductive system healthcare’ for your womb, ‘circulatory system healthcare’ for your heart, ‘male reproductive system’ healthcare for your testicles and prostate. And if you don’t have any of these things then ignore said department.

Eviebeans · 31/01/2021 17:58

Just had to go and check definition of woman in dictionary - yes, so far it's still in there

HeadPain · 31/01/2021 17:56

@NotFabulousDarling

It's ridiculous how people clamouring to be accepted as women are simultaneously lobbying to remove women from language and existence. Which is it? Because I'm starting to feel that TWAW has a silent "only" at the beginning: (only) trans women are women.
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DialSquare · 31/01/2021 17:49

Meant to type "bleed" as a quote.

AuntyPasta · 31/01/2021 17:44

It’s the natural progression of the current ideology. Everything we’ve fought for in terms of maternity benefits, access to contraception and abortion, subsidised childcare etc can no longer be described as ‘women’s rights’ because that’s triggering. The fact they are relevant to every ‘cis’ woman isn’t enough.

NotFabulousDarling · 31/01/2021 17:44

It's ridiculous how people clamouring to be accepted as women are simultaneously lobbying to remove women from language and existence. Which is it? Because I'm starting to feel that TWAW has a silent "only" at the beginning: (only) trans women are women.

MichelleofzeResistance · 31/01/2021 17:43

Note the increasing intolerance of female people in womanhood.

DialSquare · 31/01/2021 17:42

As a menopausal woman who can no longer get pregnant or bleed, I strongly object to the erasure of the words woman/women.

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