Another public statement on puberty blockers

Well they may be distressed about the long waiting lists to get/remove tits, but the good news is they already are one.

I do wish MNHQ would relent and allow women to call all men 'men' without censure.

How glorious it would be if it wasn't a bannable offence to call a spade a spade, a wanker a wanker, and a man a man.

It's so past due, really.

So this person is more recognizable than Eddie? Or isn’t Eddie considered in this person’s popularity race?

And yes. If Thorn was chocolate, Thorn would eat Thornself.

Pretentious twat.

This person tried to deplatform Kathleen Stock. They are also bffs with hbomberguy of Mermaids game stream fame (which I'm sure will age well) and Contrapoints of hating women and making creepy videos about them fame.

Gatekeeping is a good thing, and I give no shits what numpties wanted use it as a pejorative. It's an absolutely vital role in all manner of avenues to maintain safety and social order. Anyone who wants to undermine the concept is trying, either deliberately or without realizing, to undermine safeguarding and the concept of boundaries, and there should be pushback every single time it is attempted. Enough already.

@nauticant: those people are sadly still around. At my uni there are loads of middle class students who say they are entitled to identify as working class if they feel like it. It’s apparently mean and gatekeeping to say that a student who went to an all boys private school and is third generation oxbridge is middle class.

When you've looked at this stuff long enough you realise that the one right they're missing* is the right never to hear the word "no".

• in the UK

Abigail has done and interview and they say they are the “transgender princess of TERF island” and are scared now they don’t have equal rights . Firstly, you don’t just get to give yourself a title. Or maybe you can! Self ID and all that. Secondly I would love to know what rights Abigail doesn’t think they have...

When I was at university forever ago I realised that some of the worst people were chancers from middle class backgrounds identifying as working class to advance their own interests and selling Socialist Worker.

It might be a different sheep costume these days but the wolves aren't so different.

"One of the most recognised trans people in the UK" ok dear

Name changing to say this person has always been a t*.

I've been sitting on my hands and not calling them out on their bollocks about HRT being available to women. It isn't. I have never been able to get it

We have to be on our fucking knees before get listened to.
How fucking "privileged" we are🤬🤬🤬🤬

I've been sitting on my hands and not calling them out on their bollocks about HRT being available to women. It isn't. I have never been able to get it.

Maybe Abigail should read the peri-menopause threads on here .

This is surely a performance art piss-take? I mean, all power to their elbow, I hope their profile increases off the back of this. With Izzard on ITN in girl mode, I'm already having some great conversations with colleagues and friends. I'm quite sure the women I know who need HRT and have to beg for it will be hugely sympathetic to this person's plight, and very willing to see their own situation as huge privilege. And they all vote and talk to their friends and family too.

So, please, youtube non-entity, crack on. I'm all for life hacks, and having you do some legwork for me is fab.

I'm another who had never heard of this person before so have just taken a look at a few videos.

My thoughts are, is this person genuine? The body language, speech and general demeanor screams insincerity to me.

I can't face it

Thanks winesalot

I’ve always thought that Thorne was insufferable - so much like “that guy” in philosophy who never stops mansplaining. So, Thorne has always wanted to be an actor ... sorry, actress , and he did a philosophy masters cos he got rejected from acting school ( I am of course relaying the story from when he still was a dude, hence the male pronouns.) His videos are very poor quality - I would never recommend my students watch them.

Anyway, Thorne did some pretty funny interviews over the years. I really enjoyed the one where he said that philosophy was male, pale and stale and his philosophy channel was changing all that. Wow a white posh dude talking about philosophy? So different! He has no teaching experience, of course. His most popular video was about being a victim of domestic abuse as a male.

Thorne also wrote this hilarious letter to the royal association of philosophers huffing and puffing that they had the audacity to let Kathleen stock do a key note speech at their conference! He pointed out that he has sooooo many YouTube viewers, so they really should listen to him and ban that nasty woman from talking!

Here’s my view. When Abigail was a middle class white male, they were boring. Let’s face it - being a dude in philosophy is not exactly innovative. And when they talked about nasty feminists it was ... well... a bit gross coming from a guy. But now Abigail is the most oppressed brand of women and can happily unleash excessive amounts of invective at “non trans women” who are oppressing them by rolling around in hrt pills and laughing. They also have magically transformed their YouTube channel into something fresh and exciting. It’s no longer a posh guy droning on about philosophy but a woman! It really is a fantastically canny career move - how fortuitous that Thorne was always a woman all along! Oh and if you want a laugh - the Wikipedia page says that Abigail went to an all boys school, a truly remarkable feat.

It was the language used in the post that wound me up

Cis-women want HRT, trans women need it.
Trans men die before getting breast reduction while cis women get it for backache.

It downplays every woman’s struggle to access much needed health care.

Plus the unproven and probably untrue statement that puberty blockers reversible.

The only surgery they need is to remove their head from their arse. As someone who received a breast reduction on the NHS I had back pain for more than 20 years. I couldn't run, I couldn't buy a bra on the high Street, I could go on. How egocentric can you get, complaining that the world doesn't bend over backwards to accommodate your desires but at the same time dismissing other peoples pain!

What utter narcissistic bullshit.

"Diabetics get insulin for free, but I and my healthy body are discriminated against waaaah"

The key to hormone replacement is that you are replacing a deficit of hormone that your own body would naturally produce.
My ovaries failing at 40 means I replace oestrogen to the level my female body would have produced, were it healthy, at my age. I take it to prevent osteoporosis and prevent heart disease associated with early menopause. It stopped the vaginal atrophy, telegen effluvium, UTI susceptibility and various other physiological problems in their tracks. I also take progesterone. You know, to prevent the uterine cancer that taking unopposed oestrogen would cause.

For a bloke to whine that he can't have for his male body what I need medically to preserve the physical health of my female body is the epitome of male entitlement. Nuts.

Oh, and it took two years of suffering physically before my endocrinologist finally concluded that yep, my ovaries had sputtered out and I needed replacement pronto.