That inviting armed men into women’s spaces to ‘defend’ us is a batshit idea

Anyone who stands by anything posted by CursedE or KilgoreSprout is a fucking idiot. More fool anyone who falls for it, you’ve just lost any sense of credibility- no matter who you are.

Yep this. 💯. Cursed e is a particularly unpleasant trans activist in my experience.

Posie on the other had has shone light on the trans ideology and has brought it to the public domain. She's also refering to the States where people are more likely to carry. And it's in reference to Biden removing women's rights in favour of transwomen, and what the potential outcome of that might be.

Posie shoots from the hip. When she hits the target, it's glorious and when she misfires you sometimes have to run for cover.

These kinds of 'Look what she's done now' threads often bring up new information so I'm going to wait and see. But if she's taken it down, then that does suggest she realises she's fucked up and if that turns out to be the case, I don't see what's wrong with an apology.

I'm not sure whether professional advice is the answer - I think there are enough media trained clones out there. I'm not her mum and I just take the rough with the smooth.

Is that what TRAs are really saying? That she is urging gun toting Americans to shoot transwomen?

Thank you Old Crone, you really filled out the argument I took it to be. It definitely wasn't about men using their guns to protect women in toilets or to intimidate/kill the BIGGEST victims of everything! The twisting that goes on over this shit is phenomenal.

I agree she doesn't need to apologise.

If only any of CursedE 's nasty tweets, or one of Sprout's doxings got even half the traction and condemnation...

Meh, why bother apologising? She shouldn’t have to apologise because some people were determined to deliberately misinterpret her words. We all know if Posie said “I love kittens!” someone would call her puppyphobic. What’s she supposed to say?

“Dear people that hate me and look to discredit me with every word, I’m sorry I said something you were able to twist into something it wasn’t.” She doesn’t owe people like CursedE anything.

She knows what she meant and others have read it differently. She wasn’t encouraging violence, she was asking men to think about how they’re actually protecting women. She’s probably more pissed off with herself for giving the muppets some ammunition, we know how manipulative they are. Just chalk it up, don’t slip up next time I’d say.

PP has a great knack for raising consciousness of these things

She certainly does! I don't think I've ever seen anyone quite like her for getting publicity

Sorry, italics fail

When Man Friday started there was discussion on here about men doing the same, but it was generally agreed that for these reasons it wasn't a very good strategy.

YY. I remember that.

She's not saying that men should go into women's toilets (with or without guns) to protect women. She's saying that the only way to get across the absurdity of self ID is for lots of men to start self IDing as women.

There are a few problems with this. One is that this has to be explained carefully to avoid misinterpretation (as Posie has discovered). Another is that the 'wrong' sort of men will be all too eager to take part. And another is that this is likely to frighten some women, and make others uncomfortable, which is counterproductive.

When Man Friday started there was discussion on here about men doing the same, but it was generally agreed that for these reasons it wasn't a very good strategy.

She started with a slight disclaimer as though it was an absurdist thought experiment. Unfortunately it didn't work. It's a bit like the Jo Brand joke about throw battery acid not milkshake. I really hope she apologises. It's the only way to go.

They were also calling for her to be investigated by the police and Prevent for extremeism and inciting violence.

They've tried to do that to other people too.

Anyone who stands by anything posted by CursedE or KilgoreSprout is a fucking idiot. More fool anyone who falls for it, you’ve just lost any sense of credibility- no matter who you are

Yep.

Posie obviously threatens both TRAs and Head Girls alike. Long may she reign

Yes!

The segment almost was disjointed like she started with an idea and then switched line of thought. We all do it. That is live-streaming too.

I think interpreting it as a ‘call for armed men to protect women in toilets’ is a very far reach here. But it is just ‘one’ interpretation of you were out to make life hard for someone.

Posie obviously threatens both TRAs and Head Girls alike. Long may she reign

Well I understood the gist of what she was saying but then I’m British and have been brought up on irony and sarcasm. If you want to attack PP then of course you will interpret it differently.

I expect it will be used as another stick to beat her anyway.

It is unpleasant to see Ruth Serwotka cosying up to CursedE against PP; no wonder women are stepping away from the left in droves. But brave of Keira Bell to stand with PP.

I can find something to agree with and disagree with with every woman and every group involved in fighting for our rights, but friendly fire like this leave a bad taste.

My priority is women; all women. Even the ones I disagree with and don’t like.

I missed this video. I find KJ excellent when she keeps it short and to the point. The livestream format is really distracting for anyone to run, the best are run with at least another person off screen to help. It makes KJ livestreams end up quite disjointed. I think after covid she probably should get another set of hands in to help so she can stay on point.

Having read the script and watched the segment, I think she was pointing out that rather than carry guns, showing how easy it is to access women’s spaces with self id is an effective way to protect.

Being a human individual and not part of a hive mind, I don’t always agree with KJ. I do agree that she is brave and she gets in and does things. She is great a getting the message across (perhaps not quite in this instance).

Yes gardenbird48 Well said.

I haven’t seen the video but think PP has a great knack for raising consciousness of these things. If the way she said it didn’t come off quite right that will be dragged out time and time again but is the only example they will be able to present - in the same way that one brief comment made by Magdalen is dragged out.

It just goes to show that in the face of so much violence directed towards women, we are held to inhumanly high standards and the tiniest of slips is pounced on, amplified, twisted for max effect and paraded as evidence that justifies their inhuman treatment of us.

If they do try and bring a prosecution there will be a large floodgate opening on our side.

I think Posie is amazing, she works so hard at a personal cost and she is human.

Transcripts are useful but they do remove tone of voice that could indicate/confirm sarcasm.

Maybe PP is at the point where media training would be useful but she didn't say this sitting next to India Willoughby on This Morning, it's a you tube channel. Do Triggernometry need media training? Does Rose of Dawn? Does Blaire White? I thought the point of YT was more gaining access for those who haven't had a career in the media and being able to have a broader spectrum of options to choose from. Including the conspiracy theory fake news stuff if that's your interest.

I realise it's a form of media obviously but it's not a news channel. PP has some marvellous rants on her channel and sometimes she rambles and gets distracted from her point but comes back to it. Usually she makes good points and I also liked her comments on surrogacy @Delphinium20. That was a good portion of the video that of course has been cut from the video and the conversation.

As she is a special advisor to WOLF now I'm sure they will be talking to her about it and let's face it, men are carrying guns in toilets already in the US. The men's toilets and in the women's. There was that guy with a pink and blue sword in the ladies but also I vaguely remember a photo of a guy with a pistol tucked into his skinny jeans.

(For the record I think it was a misguided joke that wasn't made that clearly but I do think she was talking to 'guys that carry' meaning republicans.)

Also, Posie is banned from Mumsnet so she isn't able to defend herself here.

If you have a question about her word. Why not ask her directly? She's on Facebook, I believe?