That inviting armed men into women’s spaces to ‘defend’ us is a batshit idea

I am constantly amazed and thankful for Posie’s energy and commitment to keep going on this.

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Isn’t Lisz’s goady fucker the cursed one on twitter? That is how I read it. But I really could be wrong too 😃

Or do we just say "Fuck off you disingenuous twits, that's not what was meant by that?" and move on?

Yup.

The idea that all women have to carefully toe the line, never say anything extreme or outrageous or off-the-cuff, in case the men in charge think we’re hysterical or dangerous is a ship already sailed.

If men thought women were fully human, we wouldn’t have to constantly check ourselves, (of course not all men/trans”women”). The idea that we must be always so careful to be reasonable and well-behaved and have our paperwork in order is just another version of be “good dear girl, and let who will be clever”.

All the while the TRAs get to be as aggressive and batshit crazy as ever they please, because they’re held to a different standard. (What standard you ask? Well, a different one is all I can say).

I didn’t listen to Posie because I find live-streams annoying, but the idea that one women, making a comment, details an entire movement, is playing directly into the idea that if women aren’t nice, nobody will pay attention. And that there's no women as individual humans, but only woman as little box marked “Nice. Kind. Complaisant. Passive. Quiet. Supportive.” we all have to squeeze into.

Might just be me, but I find it highly hypocritical that someone who takes every opportunity to shit on PP for her associations is basing this latest witch-hunt on information provided by a TRA.

From where I stand PP’s approach has brought this issue into the mainstream with a bang, which can only be a good thing, and she is unflinchingly out to support women and girls.

YAAAAWWWWN. Please don't feed the goady fucker.

Isn't it funny that I read Lisz' post completely opposite to how Lisz meant it. Biden and Sturgeon. Let's see what their legacy is, shall we?

She was making an appeal to toxic masculinity and to those who see women as their property to "protect".

That's how you interpreted it. My interpretation (as I've already said) is that she was suggesting that men should do Man Friday type stunts (by 'identifying as women') to show how ridiculous a policy of self ID is.

But as I said in my earlier post, I think this could be counterproductive because it is likely to cause distress to women.

You might not care about someone taking an anti-feminist stance but I do. She was making an appeal to toxic masculinity and to those who see women as their property to "protect".

*rely on

Damn you, autocarrot!

I don't really care Grainne. I don't think that Conservative automatically means evil, and I KNOW we can't really on many lefty men for protection or support.

Really Prion? what a POS. But there are never any consequences for CursedE of course.

I was correct about who she was aiming her comments at. At the end of the piece, commenting on the US, she says "and men come on...if you can wear a MAGA hat, which some of you do who follow this page, you can damn well go into a women's toilet to make a point and save the women in your community"

CrustE also doxxed Posie. Not going to show the tweet, but there were directions telling how to find her address. Very dangerous person, filled with hatred.

And it’s perfectly obvious in the video that Posie isn’t inciting violence. Pity she mentioned “carrying” as a joke to show off her supposed US language credentials. That’s literally all she did and it wasn’t connected to her suggestion men should carry out a ManFriday style revolt. Not a good idea perhaps, but definitely not any kind of incitement to violence.

Yes this was my interpretation too. Satire. She was saying “hey - if you’re the kind of bloke who thinks he’s Billy Big Balls ready to defend your wife and kids to the death, how about stepping up now and helping women out against the threat of gender identity ideology”.

YAAAAWWWWN. Please don't feed the goady fucker.

I think there is a place for calm and measured and a place for the Posie types (she's been great at getting attention, and in America too).

Whatever we, Posie, FairCop or Sarah Phillimore say, they will try and pull it apart. That's why they like the term "dogwhistle" so much.

So do we agonise over everything before we say or post anything, and never do anything off the cuff again (in which case we are surely letting them control our speech after a fashion)? And then debate it endlessly on here and self falgelate?

Or do we just say "Fuck off you disingenuous twits, that's not what was meant by that?" and move on?

Is that what TRAs are really saying? That she is urging gun toting Americans to shoot transwomen?

Well CursedE is bullshitting away

It's a constant fire-fight these days. Been a heck of a year so far eh guys? What with the Sturgeon thing, Biden, this clown mouthing off .. it's like watching a fucking ship sinking.

Ruth Serwotka's tweets about PP strike me as neither reasonable nor evidence based.

As a leftie, I'm always going to be way more upset with other people who purport to be on the left who let feminists down. Looking at you, UK Labour Party.

With mainstream trans rights activism we're dealing with an assault on reality, language, free speech, safeguarding and science as much as we are on women and feminism. I'd be an idiot if I thought I could never join with people from different political backgrounds. This issue is too big and too urgent.

Keira Bell has been inspired by Posie, and has stuck up for her though.

If some people want to be led by the nose by some of the worst TRAs out there, then you do you I suppose.

Every time Posie does something like this she provides the TRAs with ammunition (the metaphorical kind). A lot of women in the gender-critical feminism space are working really hard to win the arguments by being reasonable and evidence-based and sensible (this is how we won the Keira Bell case, remember?) and then PP wades in and ruins it. It makes it so easy for the TRAs to portray feminists as being in thrall to the American Christian right.

It did not come across as sarcastic. I have no problem recognisikh sarcasm. The comment came across as pandering to conservative american men.

Yeah. I am not sure she needs professional help in getting her message across. She could have the help of someone to produce (if that is the word I am looking for) the show so she can focus (ie getting the tech set up and working, adjusting while she is talking, changing screens when she needs to)

In saying that, I enjoy her videos regardless so it probably would not make much of a difference unless it was picking up on an occasional issue like this where someone could have suggested simply clarifying what she said while it was fresh. So that the video didn’t have to come down and she didn’t have to deal with the distraction this will cause.

Then again, it is more potential content and she can make it work for her.