Innocent drinks

Just a few seconds looking at who Innocent follow throws up that it includes some bloke with pornhub.com as their website in their bio. I suppose they "endorse" that as well?

Some deleting been going on.

Ontheboardwalk Did you read the OP and did the picture show for you?
Innocent were following a 74-year-old woman on twitter. A goady twitter person told them to stop following her because she doesn't have the correct views. Innocent stop following her and apologise to goader.

Genuine question I've not seen this type of thread before. What’s the issue?

Is it because Innocent follow a twitter poster with dodgy views? Aren’t there many dodgy people on Twitter?

Again not being goady honest

@CorvusPurpureus

Exactly. I live in an extremely conservative country, my husband is from here. I had this whole TWAW discussion with a Canadian friend who lives here and asked her if she would really expect my 90 year old MIL to understand all of this or call her transphobic and she said 'well no of course not.'

So it's all just bs really. It's one rule for some and another for others. And I don't mean this in some kind of 'oh the poor westerners are the baddies as usual', I mean that they don't hold anyone to the same standards because they essentially think they are below them.

Quaagars They are saying men, as a group, do not over lap with 'trans folk', as a group.
You already outdid yourself when you asked me to explain what I mean by 'years' a few days ago in another thread

The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk.

They really couldn't make it any more clear, could they, that they don't see trans men as men.

'Did what they were told to do'

They could have just ignored it. Instead they were 'told what to do' by some random bloke on the internet.

Innocent have a Mean "gender" pay gap of 60% in relation to bonuses, I can't unknow it. I won't forget*

Know what a fucking Woman is when it comes to paying us, don’t they. Mendacious twats.

This is what is at the absolute heart of all this (gestures broadly). All the faux oh gender is so hard... be who you want. Except. They all know damn well who to pay less and rape more... don’t they?

It's also worth noting that many companies have a global bottom line to think of, & worth noticing where their 'principles' begin & end.

So for example - I'm not in the U.K.

When M&S decided to do 'whatever you feel' changing rooms, I emailed to ask if this applied to our local store.

It didn't. They certainly weren't going to attempt this in other countries, & sent me a very fudgey response about it, to the effect that um, franchises.

So I can take my dds to try on bras in our home abroad in M&S, & be confident that they have a right to be in a female only space.

But if I'm visiting the U.K., M&S suddenly don't think that's a thing they can or should do.

Awfully flexible standards. Apparently it's transphobic to demand a single sex space in an M&S changing room in the U.K.

But in the rest of the world, it's absolutely fine in M&S to have single sex changing.

It's very hard to see any of this as other than corporate virtue signalling.

Yes, my opinion of them has changed completely. Now I know they're not in the least what I thought and are instead ageist gynophobes, that they're owned by cocacola and that they have a shocking amount of sugar in them, my spending habits will change accordingly. And I'm talking to all my friends about all those things, too.

Whack a rainbow flag on your Twitter profile and meaningless slogan to distract everyone from the fact you are not paying women fairly, or paying tax, or sourcing your raw materials sustainably.

Actually you’re wrong about no-one’s viewpoint hanging changed. My viewpoint certainly has. Each one of these companies that actively side with the TRAs and support their literal violence goes off my purchase list. They’ll be some I can’t avoid, but they’ll be many I can. Innocent is one of those brands I don’t normally buy but occasionally add as part of a lunch meals etc. Now I will choose differently. So even if it’s just one customer it’s a loss to them, and that’s what happens when you turn benign food items into political hot potatoes.

Why on earth was my post deleted?

Totally agree, absinthe.

The thing is, it attracts unwelcome scrutiny to a brand

Exactly this. And to the outrageous sugar content and the coca-cola link I will add what I discovered, on the most cursory of searches, about their gender pay gap.

I have no idea about the corporate credentials of most of the brands I put into my trolley on a dash round the supermarket, but now I know that Innocent have a Mean "gender" pay gap of 60%* in relation to bonuses, I can't unknow it. I won't forget. It'll be right there, like a word association thing when I see their lurid sugar-laden smoothies.

And because I know that, I can also work out that, behind the smarmy, self-congratulatory statement they put out there will probably be many female employees at Innocent who feel belittled and furious by what the company have done, but have absolutely zero chance of being able to speak up and keep their jobs, because - as that 60% "gender" bonus pay gap tells us - it's the chaps who are in charge.

I agree that it's unlikely that anyone will have had their minds changed by what's happened. Last week I loathed misogynist wokescold bullies and I still do now, while MondayYogurt was presumably fine with them then and now. But at least those who don't like them can spot them more easily. And those who work for them and can't speak up for fear of losing their jobs have other women to do it for them.

• by "gender" pay gap I think we all know I mean sex. I'll bet my house there's no transmen on the board.

"What I didn't know, before they poked that particular hornets' nest & I read this thread, is that they're owned by coke & have a frankly horrible level of sugar."

Something similar happened with Flora. The scrutiny caused people who'd been blithely baking with the stuff to read the ingredients and... make healthier choices.

Well, thanks, Innocent, you have in the most roundabout way possible prompted me to donate $25 to help a midwife in Ghana with her college course fees.

Good find 👍

I've found some alternatives!

www.quora.com/What-are-some-good-alternatives-to-Kiva?share=1

The thing is, it attracts unwelcome scrutiny to a brand.

Innocent are a market leader. They are everywhere. My kids quite like their drinks, although they're just as happy with any old smoothie. Innocent were selling their crap to us. I was buying it quite regularly & not giving it much thought.

Now, I'm happy to buy elsewhere or make my own, no big deal or inconvenience to me, because they're misogynistic ageist bullying fuckwits.

What I didn't know, before they poked that particular hornets' nest & I read this thread, is that they're owned by coke & have a frankly horrible level of sugar.

That's two more reasons why I'd be less disposed to buy their product again.

& I've had a passing conversation with one mate today, who couldn't give a scoot about who they follow on twitter but had dimly picked up that there was a bit of a hooha going on. So she asked me, because she knows that I'm into 'all that feminism stuff'.

She still could not care less about twitter. Or feminism. But we were both surprised at the sugar content, which neither of us had previously given much thought to, & she's also decided not to buy them anymore - because now she's aware, she won't buy them because they're not the healthy choice she thought they were.

It's a funny marketing strategy; to piss off the women who buy the stuff & talk to people.

Care look good, but I liked the loan-to-help model particularly.

Is lendwithcare also care? Trying to figure it out. They seem to have that model.