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Innocent drinks

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Biscuitsanddoombar · 29/01/2021 14:20

So another brand proves that they’re not keen on women having thoughts

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Xanthangum · 03/02/2021 11:20

sports vegetables

Grin nicking that

ErrolTheDragon · 03/02/2021 11:19

I'm about to have a small, delicious, smoothie. Well, more of a lumpy but that's fine by me. It comes in environmentally friendly packaging, and the pulverisation is performed without any mechanical aids.

Oldmummybear · 03/02/2021 11:16

Errol you mentioned water. A few years ago Coke tried selling bottled water, but the press caught on to the fact that it was tap water they were trying to sell.
That didn't work out too well for them Grin

SirSamuelVimes · 03/02/2021 11:14

Wow, so I can eat donuts now and class them as a healthy alternative to smoothies? Excellent!

AbsintheFriends · 03/02/2021 11:11

Hush ladies. Your science-based hate spreading is spoiling the sunshiney happy vibe.

OwBist · 03/02/2021 11:09

@merrymouse

Sports vegetables with added electrolytes (from all natural sources).
This is brilliant. I really want some sports vegetables, now. Smile
HettieMillia · 03/02/2021 11:09

Thanks to this thread I just learned that drinking a small bottle of Innocent smoothie equals eating 3 and a half doughnuts.

Nasty 🤢 it's certainly been an education. No way am i buying those anymore. Well I wouldn't anyway tbh, not after they have shown what they really think about women's concerns. But this really is the icing on the cake (or doughnut, as the case may be)

ErrolTheDragon · 03/02/2021 11:02

Smoothies do not contain all the fibre that is in the fruit - that is the problem.

Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always assumed it matters to sugar absorption whether the fruit's structures are more or less intact. Eating an orange isn't the same as drinking its juice and then eating the pulp separately, which seems to be pretty much equivalent to what happens with a smoothie.

merrymouse · 03/02/2021 10:57

Sports vegetables with added electrolytes (from all natural sources).

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merrymouse · 03/02/2021 10:54

Shockingly, Innocent's response to that DM article is still misleading and in some cases downright wrong:

"MANUFACTURER'S RESPONSE:
Innocent smoothies are made from nothing but pure, crushed fruit and juice, with absolutely no sugar added. Our smoothies contain all the good stuff that fruit does (like fibre and vitamin C).

As a standard 250ml serving of one of our smoothies contains two portions of fruit, (i.e. two of your 5-a-day), the sugars found in it are the same as the amount found in two portions of fruit (a banana and another portion of fruit)."

It's irrelevant that they haven't added sugar because the sugar is already in the drink - the doughnut makers might as well say "doughnuts with as much sugar as is in the doughnut, with no more sugar added". It's nonsense.

Smoothies do not contain all the fibre that is in the fruit - that is the problem. The fibre in fruit means that it is absorbed more slowly, preventing the blood sugar spike created by necking 33g of sugar.

A banana and an apple combined do not contain 33g of sugar, unless they are talking about a very big banana and a very big apple.

The five portions a day reference is also wrong and misleading. 'Five portions' is questionable in the first place, but if you want to use that measure, a smoothie can only count as one of your five, and there is no acknowledgement that more than one of the smoothies in the article would double your recommended daily sugar intake.

Basically this company is Goop, but founded by men, and successful in the FMCG market, so not so easy to mock.

TheChampagneGalop · 03/02/2021 10:52

Eating one doughnut will be healthier than drinking that anyway Grin

SophocIestheFox · 03/02/2021 10:50

Oh great, now I want a doughnut Grin

AbsintheFriends · 03/02/2021 10:48

Thanks to this thread I just learned that drinking a small bottle of Innocent smoothie equals eating 3 and a half doughnuts. Oh wow. That is disgusting

Shitting hell. No wonder, as a 'health brand' they've completely bought into the idea of self-ID.

TheChampagneGalop · 03/02/2021 10:32

Thanks to this thread I just learned that drinking a small bottle of Innocent smoothie equals eating 3 and a half doughnuts. Oh wow. That is disgusting.
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2301135/15-WORST-health-drinks-Orange-juice-Innocent-smoothies-sugar-13-Hobnobs-3-half-doughnuts.html

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prisencolinensinainciusol2 · 03/02/2021 10:23

I love the patience and the humour on these boards, I really do.

prisencolinensinainciusol2 · 03/02/2021 10:22

Do you not remember the things you post from one day to the next?

😂

(I'm not after a deletion/strike so I'll make do with the smiley.)

prisencolinensinainciusol2 · 03/02/2021 10:19

Thank you Pothole.

JKRismyhero · 03/02/2021 10:14

@BloodyDarrener

I don't understand the thinking of these companies. I KNOW that men and boys eat and shop, but realistically, who are the main shoppers in the UK? It's the girlfriends, wives and mothers. It is. It's sexist but for now it's just a sad fact.

We females use(d) Bodyshop products way more than our male counterparts yet any mention of women's products or girls products are removed from their website, whilst allowing 'men' to be a perfectly searchable option with over 60 results.
We mums buy the kid's smoothies. We pick up the Flora in the Tesco shop. We females use Always sanpro. Christ, if there's ever a group to not piss off it's women when you only sell products specifically made for female biology!

So why are they pandering to the men who want to take our rights? The men and TRAs who give us a sub label for women (CIS) while they declare that they, Transwomen, are the real women now.

My shopping list keeps getting smaller and smaller in the hope that my non-contribution helps. That it's felt by the companies. That it actually causes a hurt to their bottom line and they do actually notice. All I can do is hope.

I am also hoping things will change. It seems absolutely insane!
BloodyDarrener · 03/02/2021 09:33

I don't understand the thinking of these companies. I KNOW that men and boys eat and shop, but realistically, who are the main shoppers in the UK? It's the girlfriends, wives and mothers. It is. It's sexist but for now it's just a sad fact.

We females use(d) Bodyshop products way more than our male counterparts yet any mention of women's products or girls products are removed from their website, whilst allowing 'men' to be a perfectly searchable option with over 60 results.
We mums buy the kid's smoothies. We pick up the Flora in the Tesco shop. We females use Always sanpro. Christ, if there's ever a group to not piss off it's women when you only sell products specifically made for female biology!

So why are they pandering to the men who want to take our rights? The men and TRAs who give us a sub label for women (CIS) while they declare that they, Transwomen, are the real women now.

My shopping list keeps getting smaller and smaller in the hope that my non-contribution helps. That it's felt by the companies. That it actually causes a hurt to their bottom line and they do actually notice. All I can do is hope.

DeaconBoo · 03/02/2021 09:23

@Quaagars

Quaagars They are saying men, as a group, do not over lap with 'trans folk', as a group

Yes, but again, where do you get they don't see trans men as men from this The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk. Confused

Also not sure what you're referring to when you say You already outdid yourself when you asked me to explain what I mean by 'years' a few days ago in another thread

Was wondering that myself, not like she's a big account?
Then again people follow people for all kinds of reasons, as you say could quite easily have knitted them a hat lol
I mean, I follow Boris and that doesn't mean I'm a Tory.
Following people doesn't automatically mean you endorse everything they come out with.

I'll try and explain one more time. The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk.

The only way this statement works is if by 'men' they meant '"cis" men' only.
By men, they mean "cis" men. They do not include trans men in their definition of men.
Otherwise, a group defined as 'men including trans men, but not trans folk' is a logical impossibility.

Re 'years', on 28 Jan in the '1/2way' thread, you typed in a post addressed to me 'years? not sure what you mean by that.'
I found it a humorous example of your usual posting style, hence me saying 'you outdid yourself'. (And what I meant by it was "a period of time covering >1 calendar year and/or 365-day period". Both apply.)

Do you not remember the things you post from one day to the next?

merrymouse · 03/02/2021 09:22

www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/03/lifeandhealth.foodanddrink

I'm starting to think that Innocent might never have been an ethical company...

PotholeParadies · 03/02/2021 09:19

However, could someone explain to me why a company follows individual customers?

Two reasons. The first is more unique to Innocent,
whose USP on social media is projecting an image of themselves as a small, friendly business that is more of a quirky personage than a faceless collection of employees. They build brand loyalty by encouraging people to feel affection for the company.

The second is more general. Following people with the business account is a way to keep in touch with the general twitter trends amongst their customer demographic, and gauge what they can tweet themselves to gain more positive attention. Or what they can retweet.

It's usually an effective strategy for Innocent. I don't follow them myself, but their tweets appear in my news feed anyway, because other people I follow retweet their content.

merrymouse · 03/02/2021 09:19

More from the Diabetes website:

"A recent report by the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition (SACN), stated that we need to reduce our intake of free (added) sugars by half.

The report recommends that we should consume no more than 5 per cent of our energy from free sugar. This means the maximum daily intake of free (added) sugar should be:

19g, equal to 5 cubes or 5 tsp of sugar, for children (aged 4 to 7)
24g, equal to 6 cubes or 6 tsp of sugar, for children aged (7 to 10)
30g, equal to 7 cubes or 7 tsp of sugar, for children (over 11) and adults"

If max daily sugar should be 30g, that means no innocent pomegranate magic.

Of course you could still argue that pomegranate magic tastes good so who cares if it contains too much sugar - the guidelines also mean no cake. However, unlike Mr Kipling, Innocent specifically sell their product as healthy.

merrymouse · 03/02/2021 09:12

I'd rather eat fruit than drink it.

And Diabetes UK agrees!

www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/what-to-drink-with-diabetes/fruit-juices-and-smoothies

"Fructose adds to your intake of free (added) sugars. Whole fruit, on the other hand, does not.

Whole fruit contains fibre (roughage), vitamins and minerals, which are good for your overall health. The fibre helps to slow down the speed the fructose is absorbed into your blood stream and can help you feel fuller for longer. This is why it’s better to eat whole fruit, rather than fruit in the form of juice or a smoothie.

Fruit juice and smoothies, on the other hand, have most of the fibre (roughage) removed when they are made and it’s very easy to drink large quantities in a short space of time. This means you could be drinking a lot of extra calories, carbs and sugar.

We know that too much of our sugar intake is coming from juices and smoothies, so it makes sense to cut down. The good news is that we are not eating enough fruit, so this is something you can eat more of. Though be mindful of serving sizes – it’s easy to overdo the dried fruit, grapes and tropical fruits without really thinking about it.

You can include fruit as part of your meal or as a snack, whichever suits your healthy eating plan. Don’t forget fresh, tinned and dried fruit all count."

HettieMillia · 03/02/2021 08:59

The adorable conviction of some that that's the only way you'd be able to tell

🤣