Oh god, Labour again.

Honestly, Labour pick the weirdest hills to die on!

"Anyone attempting to breach Labour Party rules and subvert the intention of All Women Shortlists, women’s officers or minimum quotas for women will be dealt with via our established safeguards, selection procedures and disciplinary measures."

I remember being "dealt with" at school...

It's the whole "all women including vulnerable women" bullshit that annoys me.

Adult males are not vulnerable women ffs.

I left during the first AWS debacle. (Plus the sight of Corbyn laughing with his mate about the complete whitewash report on Labour's antisemetism while Luciana Berger left the room in tears.)

Starmer is being useless over this issue but that statement dates from October 2019, or earlier, when Jeremy Corbyn was leader.

You are right and thanks for checking. But I think it's also relevant that the statement is still up. Starmer has tried to ignore the issue, but I don't think the Tories and right wing journalists will let him.

at which point he will either go full on TWAW like Corbyn & McDonnell did, or the manifesto will include something vaguely sensible which will trigger another unedifying public wrangle with the TRA wing just before the election.

Agree - and there won't be any avoiding the question because the Tories know this is a weak spot. Like it or not, GMTV has the audience that Starmer needs as voters, and Piers Morgan or equivalent will be looking for something that is clippable on Youtube. AWS that you can identify onto is like catnip.

Starmer is being useless over this issue but that statement dates from October 2019, or earlier, when Jeremy Corbyn was leader.

Oh great. Still politically homeless then.

AWS are controversial to begin with, but they can be justified on the basis of specific structural barriers and prejudice faced by women, and on the basis that women are 50% of the population, therefore equal representation is a reasonable aim.

If women could simply identify out of being female, there wouldn't be any need for AWS.

Labour are of course free to push the fringe view that 'woman' is just a catch all term for 'minority group facing oppression', but they will relegate themselves to being a fringe party.

In adopting this approach, the Labour Party has verified that it is acting consistently with both the letter and spirit of the relevant legislation, the Equality Act 2010.

I wonder with whom they have verified that they acting in the 'spirit' of the law i.e. the Equality Act. Are they saying that the intention of the Act was actually that self identified trans women were actually deemed to be actual proper women when the Equality Act was written in 2010? If so why didn't the Act just say that it just protects anybody who says they are one of the groups in the list? Or am I missing something.

because the far left have their knives out and well and truly sharpened.

They will never forgive him for not supporting their Rosie Duffield witch hunt.

Starmer has had plenty of opportunities to signal that he is not on board with this nonsense.I think he will leave it until the next GE

Don't count on it. you will just be very let down and disappointed. Starmer will do what he needs to do, and say what he needs to say to keep people on board with him. That's his role. He was elected to try to unify the party. But he will fail in that anyway...because the far left have their knives out and well and truly sharpened.

ListeningQuietly, I am a Tory voter and happy to support a party that has had not just one but two female prime ministers.
How many have Labour had? Oh yes... none.

We recognise that there is a diversity of views on what can be a complex and emotive issue for many members, but discussions within the Labour Party should never take the form of abuse or intimidation of anyone.Labour’s Code of Conduct is clear on acceptable behaviour by party members. This standard of behaviour will be enforced

These standards of behaviour will only be applied to anyone who disagrees with the party line, however; and this means that we have the right to impose a double standard where we see fit.

Starmer has had plenty of opportunities to signal that he is not on board with this nonsense.
I think he will leave it until the next GE, at which point he will either go full on TWAW like Corbyn & McDonnell did, or the manifesto will include something vaguely sensible which will trigger another unedifying public wrangle with the TRA wing just before the election.
Actually, to be fair to Corbyn and McD, they somehow managed both.

Labour have lost my vote. Sad times.

The Labour Party is committed to upholding the principle of affirmative action for women

They have completely lost the plot......

Labour has a proud record of championing equality for women of all backgrounds, including BAME women, LGBT+ women, disabled women and working class women

They've fallen into that habit that TRA activists have of labelling working class, disabled, black women as somehow not primarily women - but as types of women. We are supposed to believe that biological males can be just another type of woman.

Is it me but is ‘all women’ the new oxymoron to send a chill down the spine - following on from ‘diversity’ and ‘inclusion’ - words used to mean the exact opposite - but generally coalesce around - fuck off actual women?

I'm in the Tees Valley area. Ate they fuck having my vote.

I was well disposed towards Starmer compared to Corbyn and I don't believe he believes in this for a second. But he needs to have more control over his party machine - this is atrocious

The battle lines are hardening in the Labour party, between those who see Kier Starmer as the way forward, and those on the far left/momentum type members who absolutely hate his guts.

The irony is that this group also contains many old school socialists for whom a materialist analysis of society actually meant something. The thing is, many of these members ( mostly older males) just don't consider women's issues as being primary. They are always subsidiary to the great working class struggle - which basically means men, and women as wives, mothers and daughters of men.

[quote ListeningQuietly]Remember that although the Tories accept what women are, we are expected to know our place ....
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55844367[/quote]
As we are with Labour: be quiet, put the men first.