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The Feminist Library Has Fallen

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WootMoggie · 28/01/2021 14:06

...apparently you are not welcome if you believe that trans people present even a mere ‘complication’ to women’s rights.

Oh - and you’re not allowed to discuss this either.

feministlibrary.co.uk/statement-on-transphobia-and-accountability/

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ThePonderer · 30/01/2021 19:33

we believe that there is not a singular, universal origin point for all women’s oppression across the globe nor should we attempt to find one

What's the point of feminism then? That means we're just a disparate group of people who are having bad experiences which we want to change.

No way to define us. No problems in common. No solutions which will apply to us all.

How could anybody benefit from visiting this library?

Daca · 30/01/2021 16:10

Occupy ... the Feminist Library Grin

Laurank · 30/01/2021 14:53

Good point @Daca about TRA posturing being 'political theatre' when FL isn't even open anyway. There is something about indefinite LD, with its keyboard warrior-ism and impossibility of IRL resolution, that just seems to encourage extreme sabre rattling like this.
It makes me wonder what it would be like, when it reopens, to visit, perhaps with a few women, to see what it's like, chat to the collective. And to see whether (or how) they'd eject us if we ventured a GC opinion.

Flapjak · 30/01/2021 14:33

Does this mean they wont be holding any books that dont agree that trans wo'men' are women? Sex is constructed? Like to see how it can be deconstructed without the help of surgery and hormones 🤣

dawejoke · 30/01/2021 14:19

OH and think someone praised the LSE (sic) Women's Library. Actually the Women's Library was a purpose designed building in Whitechapel with a cafe, reading rooms, welcome for kids, used by loads of local organisations, wonderful exhibitions, circular meeting room. It was BRILLIANT!! THen London Met: the freeholder decided they would rather like the space for themselves and did a sneaky deal giving all the materials to LSE. Who dont allow children under 12, charge to visit on occasion, keep most of the stuff hidden away in a basement. We mounted a huge campaign with major national and international figures supporting us. But LOST. Tragedy. This was the impetus for setting up www.roomsofourown.org.uk

SmallPug · 30/01/2021 12:40

I agree. Can we do something? They are a charity and haven’t reported their finances, so there is that issue. Then there’s the idea of people who don’t share their views ‘not being welcome’ - surely that’s against what libraries and charities stand for? Then there’s the books and materials themselves - how do we ensure they’re not lost?

dawejoke · 30/01/2021 12:22

Absolutely appalled that second wave feminists who collected, donated, volunteered, campaigned, preserved, catalogued and often WROTE these materials are having all their work destroyed by women who believe men can turn into women. It is like the destruction of the library at Alexandria. Wondering if we can offer to take all the dreadful feminist literature that they dont want and make a new Feminist Library!!! This has been coming a long time mind, and we are all terrified of speaking out about it.

Lynnikins · 30/01/2021 11:59

A truth known to anthropologists & archaeologists..

The Feminist Library Has Fallen
SmallPug · 30/01/2021 10:11

Not just our daughters! Important that boys also understand the importance of facts, biology etc.

Wandawomble · 29/01/2021 21:20

We mustn’t give up.
We teach our daughters to spot doublethink when they see it.
I wonder when they will shut down this forum?
We will still find a way to communicate with each other. Witches always have done.

RadandMad · 29/01/2021 19:24

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow Yeah, I've often thought it's only when this really hits men that we'll get the kind of pushback we need to defeat this ideology.

RadandMad · 29/01/2021 19:23

Anyone else ever get that dizzy feeling that your brain is prodding you shouting “It’s only a dream WAKE UP WAKE UP!” I’ve been getting it a lot lately. I feel like the gas is being turned up to full on this issue recently.

Every single day. It's like I've gone through the looking glass into a strange and illogical world where nearly everyone is mad.

Sunkisses · 29/01/2021 19:16

If I had donated I would be asking for my money back

Sunkisses · 29/01/2021 19:16

Didn't the "Feminist" Library also crowdfund £10,000s for the new building under false pretences? They persuaded women to part with their money, thinking they were preserving a feminist archive, something that centred women, only for it to a faux-feminist library that now centred men and actively worked to undermine women's rights. I'd cal that fraud

stumbledin · 29/01/2021 19:04

LadyChappers - I'm old enough to remember when the Feminist Library first started and was called the Women's Research and Resource Centre. But I think like a lot of groups not everyone was prepared to put in the work, or even be an active supporter over the years. And after early years of funding via Ken Livingstone's GLC this tapered off as "women" were no longer a vote catching trend.

And from contact later on with one of the women who worked really hard to keep it going through very bad times. Terrible building, no money, only 2 or 3 women doing anything, having younger more upbeat women seemed like a blessing.

And by the time of any overt difference of opinion, including one of the surviving volunteers who had kept it going being publicly "called out" and demonised as strength (including emotional) to keep going ebbed away.

As well as a sort of pragmatism which was in reality radical feminists hadn't stepped in to save the Library. So it seemed the only way to save a unique collection of old newsletters, conference papers, etc., (ie not glossy published "feminism") from being dispersed or archived (lost) was to accept the cuckoo majority ruling the roost. Not forgetting the local authority funding.

Yes in the past, ie late 70s early 80s I can imagine a group of radical feminists swooping in and liberating the publications given in good faith to the original FL, and talking them to some squat or other, but nowadays cant see anything like that happen.

And the reality is there is no organisation that would implement the conditions on which many personal papers were given. As I said Glasgow Women's Library were entrusted with the Lesbian Archive papers, but are now another hub of queer feminism.

Depressing to think that some who have fought so hard to be part of the take over will no doubt loose interest when a better careeer move turns up and then the Library will probably just vanish as it will not be a priority for either radical or queer feminists.

That's the issue really. You cant relax for a moment.

What might have seemed like a small victory, something achieved and established was never really that. Turn you back for one second, or stop paying attention and it is gone.

And so many women have been personally damaged by the fight and / or publicly denounced that even if there was a callout to reclaim personal papers I think many would say I just cant go through it again.

Daca · 29/01/2021 18:31

There is really no point raising the temperature with this statement right now, other than to generate publicity. We’re in lockdown, no one can use the library anyway. It’s political theatre, nothing more. Should Lola be working on that PhD? Yeah, I know, research is tedious ...

Daca · 29/01/2021 18:27

Seems like this story is also the story of a young woman on the make, Lola Olufemi. (No special insight here, just what’s in the public domain.) Really sad when careerists take over community resources. But live by the sword, die by the sword ...

LadyChappers · 29/01/2021 16:44

@stumbledin

I think in fact the Feminist Library (that was always more grass roots than the Women's Library) is in fact now more "popular" as it isnt just boring old women droning on about liberation, it is all queer politics, and zines, and ...

They weren't leaned on. There was a very nasty period of time when queer activists infiltrated the organising collective, and after sucessfully hounding out women who had put hours of their life into it, just turned into something about them.

That's why I used the word cuckoo.

Apart from anything else, the personal loss and destruction of hours of work by women by these trans activists who rarely set up their own groups, but have become adept at entryism. ie feigning genuine interest is a women's group with the sole intention of corrupting its politics and ousting any women who oppose them.

Who cares if they want to put on vapid events for air heads? But what they should do is give back all the feminist collections that are not theirs by rights.

But seriously. Sorry to say this. But this all happened about 5 or 6 years ago.

Thanks for the background, @stumbledin. You seem to know a good deal about this topic. Is there any recourse here? I find it genuinely chilling that writings / books etc. donated to the library for public record are now going to be restricted if they fail the test of post-modem critical gender theorists. I know things need to evolve to survive but this statement seems to be threatening to eviscerate feminist history convicted of wrongthink by a small collective of individuals. They are literally saying they will silence feminists they don't agree with (hiding behind the generic "causing harm" - not defined) and I don't know how this can happen without any ability to save anything consider "not intersectional". It's also a charity at the end of the day, with certain expectations how it operates. What about all the donations for a broad church feminist library over the years? Is there anything that can be done?
Beamur · 29/01/2021 14:14

The interesting thing also about that graphic Whatsnewpussyhat is that it also shows what women do. They find a new space and regroup.
The 'biological elephant' isn't going away.

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2021 14:09

I would just like to offer a small chip of possible comfort! I was a libfem to the nth degree before the GRA issue brought me to not just gc feminism but a far greater understanding of radical feminism.

It's been hugely educational. Once one notices a bit of the madness and starts to ask questions and seek out that 'education', there's a whole world of logic and reason and reality waiting. I was amazed to find the answers to questions that liberal feminism had managed to somehow obfuscate. I'm not sure I'd call myself a radfem, now, but I tell you, it's been so great to stumble on a world of nuanced, thoughtful and courageous feminism. Really is a breath of fresh air.

I credit Mumsnet with this, it really has been a portal to a far greater, wider and deeper understanding. Thanks, all!

SunsetBeetch · 29/01/2021 14:05

@jellyfrizz

we believe that there is not a singular, universal origin point for all women’s oppression across the globe nor should we attempt to find one

WTF?

Ok I'm fully convinced now: these people are anti feminists masquerading as feminists.
Whatsnewpussyhat · 29/01/2021 13:45

Saw this on Twitter. Seemed apt for this thread, and of course every other 'feminist', women's, lesbian, healthcare organisation who now do the opposite of their intended purpose.

The Feminist Library Has Fallen
SunsetBeetch · 29/01/2021 13:07

@MichelleofzeResistance

The exasperating thing is that as females abandon feminism and create something new that is female centric and addresses the inequalities and issues specific to females....

That will immediately become the new target for take over.

I'd like to see them try that with Kellie Jay!
SunsetBeetch · 29/01/2021 13:06

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The Feminist Library Has Fallen
MichelleofzeResistance · 29/01/2021 12:22

The exasperating thing is that as females abandon feminism and create something new that is female centric and addresses the inequalities and issues specific to females....

That will immediately become the new target for take over.