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Nicola Sturgeon throws Joanna Cherry under the bus

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Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 27/01/2021 21:05

twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/1354521063502336001?s=21

Personal statement condemning transphobia in response to the number of young members leaving and giving this as their reason.

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newyearnewname123 · 31/01/2021 09:21

Yeah, as soon as you say TWAW, even with reservations, you are insulting women.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 31/01/2021 08:46

Good article. I'm glad quite a few comments are pulling him up on the'TWAW' bit.

teawamutu · 31/01/2021 08:44

Scottish MNers, have you any sense of which way the definition debate will go?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/01/2021 08:27

That's a great comment. He gets it.

ArabellaScott · 31/01/2021 08:25

Thanks for the shares. Good article from Massie - almost posing the Staniland question to the gov there, i see.

Proxy war might be right, and I think shows up how little genuine commitment or care there is within the Scotgov for women OR trans people. Can you imagine the fallout if they sack Cherry?

Also no apparent appetite to overcome the issues or seek practical solutions. Surely not that hard to find a consensus that protects the dignity and wellbeing of all concerned? One would almost think it was a useful wedge issue.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/01/2021 21:23

Ah, 47 years of healthy life. Still not good, but not life expectancy.

47 years of healthy life against 73 years is pretty stark. And I guess it does show in mortality rates and that's part of the calculation.

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Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 30/01/2021 20:56

It's quite funny (not funny at all) that so many posters supported the SNP SNP members interested in discussing SNP shocker.

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MissBarbary · 30/01/2021 15:07

4.Life expectancy at birth in UK countries

Each of the UK constituent countries experienced either an increase in life expectancy at birth in 2017 to 2019 compared with 2016 to 2018 or saw life expectancy remain unchanged when measured in years. England continued to have the highest life expectancy at birth for males and females, while Scotland continued to have the lowest for both sexes

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/bulletins/lifeexpectancyforlocalareasoftheuk/between2001to2003and2017to2019

And this is despite significantly higher public speaking per capita in Scotland compared to England.

littlbrowndog · 30/01/2021 14:51

Thanks wee barra

For clearing it up

Still doesn’t look good

The article is good though and thought provoking

weebarra · 30/01/2021 14:49

Ah, 47 years of healthy life. Still not good, but not life expectancy.

littlbrowndog · 30/01/2021 14:49

It’s from the article in Scotsman I linked above

littlbrowndog · 30/01/2021 14:48

Am not sure what healthy life expencacty really means ?

weebarra · 30/01/2021 14:48

little brown dog -what's your source please? I agree that health inequalities in this country are horrific, but this is from the NRS (Sept 2020): Male life expectancy at birth was highest in East Dunbartonshire (80.5 years) and lowest in Glasgow City (73.6 years)

littlbrowndog · 30/01/2021 14:47

It was Scotland s chief statistician

From the article below

Figures released this week show healthy life expectancy has dropped to 61 years across the whole country and, in the most deprived areas, a man can look forward to only 47 years of healthy life, compared to 73 for his neighbour in a more affluent postcode.

MissBarbary · 30/01/2021 14:41

@Ereshkigalangcleg

If they think that will benefit them as a party, or the current leadership personally, they are utterly batshit crazy.
I doubt this will make the slightest difference to their support.

I would be delighted to see the SNP tear itself apart and disappear into oblivion but I very much doubt thosecwho want to destroy the Union at any cost actually care about this issue.

The myth that Sturgeon is handling Covid better is still believed, despite not being borne out by the figures. Vaccination roll out is slower than Scotland, but no one seems to care about that either.

It's quite funny (not funny at all) that so many posters supported the SNP , despite their poor performance in just about anything you care mention, yet this tips you over.

It's also quite amusing that you (general you) are falling over yourselves fawning over Cherry. Salmond wasn't found guilty but his conduct in general was pretty deplorable yet Cherry is his biggest fan.

gardenbird48 · 30/01/2021 14:27

@littlbrowndog

The average life expectancy for men in poor parts of Scotland 47
omg, that is absolutely shocking! 47 - do you know where that figure has come from littlbrown?

I've just had a quick check and that puts some areas of Scotland below Central African Republic which is number 193 (bottom) in the world with 52.16.

And the NEC are having an emergency meeting to discuss transphobia! Maybe it should be an emergency meeting to discuss the immediate and horrendous health crisis?

DiamondHanded · 30/01/2021 14:21

[quote WouldBeGood]@MoltenLasagne yes. An excellent way to get rid of Ms Cherry et al under the guise of wokeness.[/quote]
Sturgeon - F.M.

Cherry QC - F.M.

One current, one soon to be. Spot the difference.

littlbrowndog · 30/01/2021 13:50

The average life expectancy for men in poor parts of Scotland 47

littlbrowndog · 30/01/2021 13:49

Grim reading about health in my country. Yet transphobia 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/nicola-sturgeons-politics-flags-have-done-nothing-about-life-shortening-poverty-labour-now-scotlands-only-hope-susan-dalgety-3117250

highame · 30/01/2021 13:41

Love this bit-"cisgender people ought never to speak over trans people when seeking to define transphobia."

In that case I'm not sure transpeople should speak over women when talking about women's rights

I'm not sure this article helps from the Spectator, but it does show how issues can raise their ugly heads when ideologists steam roller ahead without thought
www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-snp-may-never-recover-from-its-hate-crime-bungle

fakenina · 30/01/2021 13:37

@newyearnewname123

Oh, I am looking forward to hearing their definition of transphobia. What definition do they have now for transphobia?
Imagin something, anything..

Well, thats transphobic

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