Page 2 | Nicola Sturgeon throws Joanna Cherry under the bus

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 2021-01-27T21:05:29+00:00

[[https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/1354521063502336001?s=21]] Personal statement condemning transphobia in response to the number of young members leaving and giving this as their reason.

WouldBeGood · 01/02/2021 16:57

Wings is predicting that it’s the death throes for the Sturgeon regime

donquixotedelamancha · 01/02/2021 16:52

Sadly it looks as though OP was prescient. I must say I assumed that bland statement by NS was meaningless.

It's a bit pathetic to replace an accomplished QC who has probably achieved more victories against the Tories than the rest of the Westminster SNPs put together with a lifelong party apparatchik who has.

I struggle to see that such an obvious sacking from fear will shore up NS's position- perhaps she figures that having blocked her becoming a SMP it's the least bad time.

WouldBeGood · 01/02/2021 16:51

Apparently, Cherry’s replacement, Anne McLaughlin, is in a relationship with one of the NEC guts who voted for self identifying disability... it’s so sleazy and nepotistic

Amortentia · 01/02/2021 16:46

@NecessaryScene1

I think it’s easier if your immediate neighbour is in the Schengen area.

Aye. But at least Scotland wouldn't have a 830-mile border with Russia in uninhabited forest.

Outwith the central belt, the rest of the population are very scattered and makes population density very low.

Mmm, but don't assume other countries are evenly distributed. Finland is massively concentrated in the south around Helsinki. There's one 200,000-population city half-way up, and nothing bigger than 100,000 north of that. And I think Norway's basically the same, but with more fjords (whatever they are).

We may get less snow but when you are reliant on ferries and they cant operate fully then you have difficulty with access.

Certainly islands makes things tougher - Finland does have a lot of islands (possibly more than Scotland), but not as many big ones, so maybe 1/10th of the non-mainland population.

Plus in winter you can just drive to a lot of Finnish islands :)

I think the problems that Finland and Norway face aren't all that different from Scotland. Even the climate is fairly similar. Which is why I said public funding had to be higher in Scotland because the demographics and topography make it more difficult compared to England. I'm always startled by just how many people and motorways exist when you get past Carlisle 🤣

NecessaryScene1 · 01/02/2021 15:54

I think it’s easier if your immediate neighbour is in the Schengen area.

Aye. But at least Scotland wouldn't have a 830-mile border with Russia in uninhabited forest.

Outwith the central belt, the rest of the population are very scattered and makes population density very low.

Mmm, but don't assume other countries are evenly distributed. Finland is massively concentrated in the south around Helsinki. There's one 200,000-population city half-way up, and nothing bigger than 100,000 north of that. And I think Norway's basically the same, but with more fjords (whatever they are).

We may get less snow but when you are reliant on ferries and they cant operate fully then you have difficulty with access.

Certainly islands makes things tougher - Finland does have a lot of islands (possibly more than Scotland), but not as many big ones, so maybe 1/10th of the non-mainland population.

Plus in winter you can just drive to a lot of Finnish islands :)

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Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 15:38

@NecessaryScene1

Looks like there's a new clear dividing line in Scottish politics, as here's what the new party on the scene put out today:

twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1356216226054344707

(How long until this becomes a fundamental party difference in other places?)

Excellent casting of “angry man” - they have clearly noticed that the wokebros tend to be bearded...

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/02/2021 15:26

You know that scene in Pretty Woman where Julia Roberts says "big mistake, huge" to the snobby shop assistant?

That's where the SNP are at.

An independent Cherry will be a force to be reckoned with.

Amortentia · 01/02/2021 15:10

@NecessaryScene1

Scotland is probably the least densely populated country in Europe.

Stats nerd checking in for fact check.

According to this and this it would be the 38th densest out of 49 at 67/km², putting it between Bosnia and Bulgaria, and close to Ireland.

It's a lot denser than the bottom 4: Sweden (23/km²), Finland (16/km²), Norway (14/km²) and finally Iceland (3.5/km²).

Total population of Scotland is about the same as Finland or Norway, but it's got a lot easier geography and climate.

Badly worded but what i meant was this - Most of the population of Scotland live in the central belt making it very densely populated. Outwith the central belt, the rest of the population are very scattered and makes population density very low. That population are on islands so I would disagree that the geography and climate are easier to manage. We may get less snow but when you are reliant on ferries and they cant operate fully then you have difficulty with access. Also, the road network across the highlands is bloody awful for transporting goods.

WouldBeGood · 01/02/2021 15:10

I think it’s easier if your immediate neighbour is in the Schengen area.

NecessaryScene1 · 01/02/2021 14:59

Although I do agree on the point that services in Scotland will always be more expensive than England and Wales, because of much lower density.

I just disagree with those who seem to think Scottish independence is somehow fundamentally totally implausible due to its demographics. 2 Nordic countries with the same number of people spread a lot thinner seem be coping fine.

NecessaryScene1 · 01/02/2021 14:53

Scotland is probably the least densely populated country in Europe.

Stats nerd checking in for fact check.

According to this and this it would be the 38th densest out of 49 at 67/km², putting it between Bosnia and Bulgaria, and close to Ireland.

It's a lot denser than the bottom 4: Sweden (23/km²), Finland (16/km²), Norway (14/km²) and finally Iceland (3.5/km²).

Total population of Scotland is about the same as Finland or Norway, but it's got a lot easier geography and climate.

RozWatching · 01/02/2021 14:47

@NecessaryScene1

Looks like there's a new clear dividing line in Scottish politics, as here's what the new party on the scene put out today:

twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1356216226054344707

(How long until this becomes a fundamental party difference in other places?)

Wow. Hopefully it's not just for the election.

Amortentia · 01/02/2021 14:45

@MissBarbary

4.Life expectancy at birth in UK countries

Each of the UK constituent countries experienced either an increase in life expectancy at birth in 2017 to 2019 compared with 2016 to 2018 or saw life expectancy remain unchanged when measured in years. England continued to have the highest life expectancy at birth for males and females, while Scotland continued to have the lowest for both sexes

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/bulletins/lifeexpectancyforlocalareasoftheuk/between2001to2003and2017to2019

And this is despite significantly higher public speaking per capita in Scotland compared to England.

Scotland has always had a lower life expectancy compared to England. There is also something called the Glasgow Effect, and even the middle classes die younger than other parts of the UK. There have been lots of research done to find the reasons behind why this might be the case, but part of it is deprivation, 10 years of austerity on top of the other reasons for this problem don't help. So not exactly the fault of the SNP. Also, spending costs have always been higher here due to the complexities of delivering health care to remote areas. The central belt is one of the most densely populated parts of the UK, but Scotland is probably the least densely populated country in Europe.

Apologies for the essay but it drives me nuts when people want to have a go at the Scottish government about an issue that massively predates its existence and is so complex that even after significant research we're still not sure how to fix this issue. I'm sure there are much better things to go after the SNP, but it's not this.

littlbrowndog · 01/02/2021 14:29

This

Nicola Sturgeon throws Joanna Cherry under the bus

MichelleofzeResistance · 01/02/2021 14:29

Women in powerful positions in a patriarchal system: behold what happens to women who dare to speak against men for women and girls.

ThePankhurstConnection · 01/02/2021 14:27

@OvaHere

Seems like a massive self own for the party as Joanna is very popular unless you're a twitter anime avatar (average age 16).

I'm presuming it's mostly about self interest as JC is a big threat to NS or whoever else the SNP would prefer to take her place (given she seems to be crashing and burning all over the shop atm).

They obviously don't want JC to occupy the top spot so IMO all this dirty politicking is about that. It's not like they don't have form.

I suspect there is more than a hint of her being a danger to the leadership with her popularity with the added bonus of finally hunting down the witch to appease the mob.

I would go into it more but (whispers) shouldn't be procrastinating on here.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/02/2021 14:26

Fucking hell. Can't believe the SNP were stupid enough to do this. If they are not careful they will end up with a physical split in the party.

theskyispink · 01/02/2021 14:25

Wings seems to think that this act means it's a dead cert that Sturgeon is on her way out - wingsoverscotland.com/cherry-unpicking/

NecessaryScene1 · 01/02/2021 14:22

Looks like there's a new clear dividing line in Scottish politics, as here's what the new party on the scene put out today:

twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1356216226054344707

(How long until this becomes a fundamental party difference in other places?)

OvaHere · 01/02/2021 14:19

Seems like a massive self own for the party as Joanna is very popular unless you're a twitter anime avatar (average age 16).

I'm presuming it's mostly about self interest as JC is a big threat to NS or whoever else the SNP would prefer to take her place (given she seems to be crashing and burning all over the shop atm).

They obviously don't want JC to occupy the top spot so IMO all this dirty politicking is about that. It's not like they don't have form.

littlbrowndog · 01/02/2021 14:18

🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Cismyfatarse · 01/02/2021 14:13

Bloody hell.

That is appalling, especially given her work on Brexit.

Has she been sacked for standing up for women and girls? Blimey. Awful.

lifeturnsonadime · 01/02/2021 14:13

Well the SNP really have capitulated to the gun that the TRAs held to their head haven't they.

But reading posts on twitter it's not enough for the TRAs they want the whole leadership including NS to resign.

And this at a time when the SNP could gain independence.

It beggars belief.

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Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 14:12

@ThePankhurstConnection

Here we go.

twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1356233346565730304

Despite hard work, results & a strong reputation I’ve been sacked today from @theSNP front bench. My constituents & fellow party members who gave me a resounding mandate in recent NEC elections should rest assured that I will continue to work hard for them.

Westminster is increasingly irrelevant to Scotland's constitutional future and @theSNP would do well to radically re-think our strategy.

Appalling.

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WouldBeGood · 01/02/2021 14:11

NS told Blackford to do it, I’d guess