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Nicola Sturgeon throws Joanna Cherry under the bus

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Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 27/01/2021 21:05

twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/1354521063502336001?s=21

Personal statement condemning transphobia in response to the number of young members leaving and giving this as their reason.

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Wbeezer · 02/02/2021 10:17

It was discussed on PM last night too. Its always described as a row about transgender rights which leads me to startle everyone in the room by shouting WOMEN'S RIGHTS at the radio.

ArabellaScott · 02/02/2021 09:36

Thanks, Igneo, for the sharetoken.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 02/02/2021 03:23

[quote lionheart]www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,taking-a-lead[/quote]
That’s a slighty odd piece - the final couple of paras are quite out of sync with the rest of it.

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Langrycleg · 02/02/2021 00:19

Well maybe the SNP will go the way of the various parties in Uk who don’t see the women as being part of the constituency. Very disappointed in Blackford and Sturgeon and appalled by the threats to Joanna Cherry. Nothing said on news reports tonight about her standing up for women.

littlbrowndog · 01/02/2021 23:54

The poll in the national

www.thenational.scot/news/19054750.snp-sack-joanna-cherry-westminster-front-bench-team/

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derxa · 01/02/2021 21:06

@MichelleofzeResistance

It is terrible. Not at all surprising however. The SNP have pretty much declared open season on women.
Pretty much.
MichelleofzeResistance · 01/02/2021 19:33

It is terrible. Not at all surprising however. The SNP have pretty much declared open season on women.

MissBarbary · 01/02/2021 19:32

@WouldBeGood

Joanna Cherry has now received a threat. This us terrible.
That is terrible.
SheldonesqueIsUnwell · 01/02/2021 19:31

If you haven’t already, NOW is your chance to stand up for women Ms S.

This is a disgrace.

MissBarbary · 01/02/2021 19:31

@TheABC

I really hope one of the other parties recruits her. From a UK-wide perspective, we need that sort of political talent.
She will have to recant her views then. The other parties are Unionist apart from the Greens.
WouldBeGood · 01/02/2021 19:30

Joanna Cherry has now received a threat. This us terrible.

Nicola Sturgeon throws Joanna Cherry under the bus
Cismyfatarse · 01/02/2021 18:58

According to wings over Scotland Murrell has "declined" to testify again. The Rev is calling on the committee to force him to return and testify under oath.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 18:29

@WouldBeGood

Apparently, Cherry’s replacement, Anne McLaughlin, is in a relationship with one of the NEC guts who voted for self identifying disability... it’s so sleazy and nepotistic
And who should have recused himself from the vote as he would directly benefit from the change in policy.

It’s almost a deliberate kick in the teeth.

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TheABC · 01/02/2021 18:26

I really hope one of the other parties recruits her. From a UK-wide perspective, we need that sort of political talent.

nevertrustaherdofcows · 01/02/2021 18:22

From the Speccie:

"Why indeed. Well, there are three strikes against Cherry. One, she was and remains an outspoken supporter of Alex Salmond, the predecessor, mentor and, until a few years ago, iron-tight ally of Nicola Sturgeon. In 2018, Sturgeon’s government launched an investigation into allegations of sexual harassment against Salmond but was ordered to pay his legal fees after the Court of Session ruled the probe had been ‘unlawful’, ‘procedurally unfair’ and ‘tainted by apparent bias’. Salmond was subsequently tried on 13 charges of sexual assault but was cleared on all counts by a jury at the High Court in Edinburgh. A Scottish parliamentary inquiry into how the Scottish government conducted itself is now in its final stages and Salmond is expected to appear before it as a witness next week.

The second strike against Cherry is more straightforward: she is sometimes talked up as a potential successor or challenger to Sturgeon as SNP leader. Cherry tried to seek selection for a Scottish parliament seat last year but dropped out of the race after a party rule change that would have forced her to quit as an MP first.

But perhaps Cherry’s biggest sin is that she is a gender-critical feminist. She has challenged the capture of the SNP by trans rights activists (referred to by internal foes as ‘the wokies’), which has seen the party pursue a host of previously fringe policies, from removing medical experts from the gender identity process to allowing biological males to count as ‘female’ appointments to public boards. Nicola Sturgeon in particular has embraced this ideology with the fervour of a woman who really wants to be called ‘progressive’ by Gen-Z Twitter activists with blue hair. After a number of younger members quit the SNP last week, Sturgeon put out a video pleading with them to ‘come home where you belong’ while the party issued a statement saying: ‘We are sorry that we’ve let you down and today pledge ourselves to change’. This came amid a string of leaks to the grassroots pro-independence blog 'Wings over Scotland' documenting the next stages of what old-guard nationalists consider the woke takeover of the SNP.

Announcing ‘his’ reshuffle today, Sturgeon’s Westminster footman Ian Blackford said ‘team working and cooperation are key to ensure results’, a statement that doesn’t require much reading between the lines. It speaks to an intolerance of dissent inside the SNP, a party which once prided itself on its love of a good rammy. The SNP under Sturgeon is infinitely more presidential, managerial, and clique-driven than New Labour under Tony Blair. (At least New Labour believed in — and, more importantly, did — things.)"

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 01/02/2021 18:14

@donquixotedelamancha

Sadly it looks as though OP was prescient. I must say I assumed that bland statement by NS was meaningless.

It's a bit pathetic to replace an accomplished QC who has probably achieved more victories against the Tories than the rest of the Westminster SNPs put together with a lifelong party apparatchik who has.

I struggle to see that such an obvious sacking from fear will shore up NS's position- perhaps she figures that having blocked her becoming a SMP it's the least bad time.

I take no joy in it. But it was clear to me that NS had picked her side, and it wasn’t Cherry.
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Tootsweets23 · 01/02/2021 17:52

This by Stephen Daisley is very good, especially for those interested in how the party got to here https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sturgeon-s-purge-why-joanna-cherry-had-to-go/amp?twitterrimpression=true

littlbrowndog · 01/02/2021 17:48

Trending on Twitter. 1 in Scotland 3 in uk

RozWatching · 01/02/2021 17:29

@WouldBeGood

Apparently, Cherry’s replacement, Anne McLaughlin, is in a relationship with one of the NEC guts who voted for self identifying disability... it’s so sleazy and nepotistic
Of course she is.

Apparently Fiona Robertson intends to go for the North East list. How likely is she to win?
It's the same Fiona Robertson who, um, defended Yaniv's womanhood, right?

www.heraldscotland.com/news/17800511.report-says-trans-lobbying-groups-captured-public-policy-putting-women-girls-risk/

"SNP's National Women’s and Equalities Convener Fiona Robertson faced significant criticism online, including from SNP supporters, after she described a controversial Canadian trans activist as a “female predator” and said Jessica Yaniv should not be misgendered"

MissBarbary · 01/02/2021 17:27

It's a bit pathetic to replace an accomplished QC who has probably achieved more victories against the Tories than the rest of the Westminster SNPs put together with a lifelong party apparatchik who has

The SNP vote and act en masse. I very much doubt Cherry achieved anything on her own.

MissBarbary · 01/02/2021 17:25

@Abhannmor

Hope the SNP is not going to crash and burn like the Irish Home Rule Party did over the Parnell divorce case. They were looking at a landslide victory in May as well. A cynic might even suspect the hidden hand of MI5 in all this chaos.
I sincerely hope so.
Abhannmor · 01/02/2021 16:58

Hope the SNP is not going to crash and burn like the Irish Home Rule Party did over the Parnell divorce case. They were looking at a landslide victory in May as well. A cynic might even suspect the hidden hand of MI5 in all this chaos.