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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 2021-01-26T09:53:11+00:00

[[https://twitter.com/RadFemLawyer/status/1354002497753538562?s=19]] This is going to fascinating to follow. GIRES, Stonewall, Brooks and the Endocrine society are intervening.

turnedthewatersintoblood · 26/01/2021 11:11

are the Good Law project funding the appeal, or just the interventions?

Defaultname · 26/01/2021 11:10

@BuntingEllacott

Section 16(3) is claiming that children with gender dysphoria going through the GIDS system are so well versed in their condition that they are uniquely placed to give consent. The implication is that while other children with other conditions might not be gillick competent, children with gender dysphoria are a special case and have more insight at an earlier age.

I really hope this gets laughed out of court. That is a ridiculous, evidence-free argument.

It sounds mighty like knowing one's the Messiah, but surely in that case, every child except the actual annointed one would be, well, labouring under a self-misapprehension?

Apollo440 · 26/01/2021 11:06

It all falls apart outside of twitter.

Defaultname · 26/01/2021 11:04

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Funded by the Good Law Project

Is it ?

Good Lawd above!

OvaHere · 26/01/2021 11:04

Also we know that children with co-morbidities such as autism do not necessarily develop in a linear way and children on the autism spectrum are over represented in the cohort that ends up at GIDS.

NotBadConsidering · 26/01/2021 10:41

I’m not a legal person, but they seem to be claiming that Gillick allows kids to do whatever they want to do. It says Gillick recommends a child centred approach that recognises children develop at different rates. Therefore they would have to admit that there are children with gender confusion that are not as fully developed.

And if these children are able to consent according to them, then they should have no problem meeting the eight criteria set out in the original judgment.

And to me, it’s laughable that they are going to base this on a challenge regarding Gillick, and somehow Stonewall et al are experts on children consenting to treatment?

Whatwouldscullydo · 26/01/2021 10:40

I really hope this gets laughed out of court. That is a ridiculous, evidence-free argument

Brain scans aren't part of the DX process though so I'm curious to know how they can claim that they have capability. That would require their brain development to be abnormally quicker ?

How can u argue that they have the capability whilst simultaneously arguing fir a medication that would reduce brain development?

BuntingEllacott · 26/01/2021 10:31

Section 16(3) is claiming that children with gender dysphoria going through the GIDS system are so well versed in their condition that they are uniquely placed to give consent. The implication is that while other children with other conditions might not be gillick competent, children with gender dysphoria are a special case and have more insight at an earlier age.

I really hope this gets laughed out of court. That is a ridiculous, evidence-free argument.

Whatwouldscullydo · 26/01/2021 10:30

But where was all this info befire?

Nothing that has come out since helps them in any way?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/01/2021 10:26

@NonHypotheticalLurkingParent

It sounds like they’re basically arguing that trans children are special, have special comprehension powers and so can consent (to PBs) on account of being uniquely special. That no one considered that trans children, when denied what they want, will scweam and scweam and scweam until they’re sick.

Having just skimmed through it, I'd say that's an extremely astute summary!

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/01/2021 10:12

Funded by the Good Law Project

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NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 26/01/2021 10:12

It sounds like they’re basically arguing that trans children are special, have special comprehension powers and so can consent (to PBs) on account of being uniquely special. That no one considered that trans children, when denied what they want, will scweam and scweam and scweam until they’re sick.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/01/2021 09:53

Requesting to intervene that should say. Full doc can be downloaded via link above.

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