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What can we do?

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BrandineDelRoy · 26/01/2021 02:47

I felt empowered tonight (by some wine) to challenge what Biden's done this week. I (in the US) approached two law school friends, one former boyfriend, my best friend from high school, and my sister in law on the trans women in sport issue.

None of them seemed to know what I was talking about. And when I tried to explain it, they didn't care because TW are so few.

How can we fight this?

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Daca · 26/01/2021 07:28

Sorry for your loss, OP, I should have thought of that.

BrandineDelRoy · 26/01/2021 06:26

But I think you're entirely correct about a late Gen X v early Millennial thing.

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BrandineDelRoy · 26/01/2021 06:24

Thanks, Daca, and I mean it, but my dad has been dead for 25 years.

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Daca · 26/01/2021 06:19

I was once where you are now, OP, and similarly incredulous. My take:

  • yes, there is a dividing line between late Gen X and millennials (not sure why)
  • maybe your dad isn’t quite the misogynist you thought he was, why don’t you talk to him? As we move through life, we sometimes come to understand an issue more fully, helping us to build bridges with those we may have dismissed in the past.
  • keep talking, OP

xx

MoleSmokes · 26/01/2021 05:51

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Video
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“Why smart people do stupid things - and how not to”
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Could greater intelligence, rather than protecting us from error, sometimes make us more stupid? In my new book, The Intelligence Trap, I argue that this is indeed the case. There is no doubt that measures of intelligence – such as IQ tests or SAT scores – correlate with many valuable outcomes in life, including your academic achievement, your income, and your performance in many jobs. But the latest psychological research shows that they do not always contribute to wiser judgement in many areas of life.

Consider a process called “motivated reasoning”. When we feel emotional about an issue, we tend to apply our intelligence in a one-sided, biased way that serves our own beliefs and preconceptions, so that we always get the answer we want to see. That may involve only searching for evidence that backs up your point of view while also using elaborate reasoning to explain away any criticisms or disagreements (even if they are perfectly valid). And the more intelligent you are, the easier that is to build more creative arguments that support your own beliefs.

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BrandineDelRoy · 26/01/2021 05:32

I guess I'm just sad. I thought I'd get more support.

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BrandineDelRoy · 26/01/2021 05:26

I just can't believe my very educated female friends can't see this as a problem.

My misogynistic dad would have seen this a mile off.

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CranberriesChoccyAgain · 26/01/2021 05:15

There are many factors in whether people, men or women, see the underlying misogyny in the movement. The T activists have very successfully attached themselves to the LGB rights despite identity having little in common with sexuality. Obviously, many people are against homophobia and therefore support gay rights, and if they've not given it much critical thought, will assume trans rights is the logical extension of that. Gay rights was never about compelled speech, cancellation, threats, denial of reality, or lies.

We also see to the slogan, "trans rights are human rights", but the activists get a bit slippery when you want them to explain what rights they feel they don't have. They obviously should have the same rights against discrimination we all do, no debate there. But refusing to acknowledge that women and girls lose out when a man self-identifies into their spaces is not only ignorant but dangerous. The chanting is to trick people into thinking GC feminists are against trans people and their human rights.

How did "you must address me based on what I say I am" become a right, where non-compliance can be punishable by threats of job loss, harrassment, criminal charges, or violence? It's narcissism on steroids.

Gay rights did not disadvantage any other groups of people, they did not demand people to speak untruths or deny reality. Check out Arty Morty on YouTube for a more detailed explanation of the nuances of the two movements.

BrandineDelRoy · 26/01/2021 04:29

I just can't believe 40 year oldish people don't get the misogyny in this.

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MoleSmokes · 26/01/2021 04:19

I don’t know but there are young’uns who “get it” - and then get sacked for speaking out of turn but they are fighting back, eg.

”Advice for Gender Critical Teens and Twenty-somethings”

www.identitycrisis.xyz/get-updates

BrandineDelRoy · 26/01/2021 04:05

I asked my friend who's 39, and she was totally TWAW. My other friend, my age at 45, told me the other friend wouldn't get it and to drop it. Is there a hard break between the tail end of Gen X and the Millenials?

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BrandineDelRoy · 26/01/2021 02:52

I have a daughter, and feel so low.

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