Sarah Phillimore suspended from twitter

None of this shit is funny. At all.

finding that the complainant (s) have been libelled

Technically they have been libelled - if is was found to be libel - by anyone who reproduced the tweet whether by retweeting or quoting it. Somewhat ironically a court could find that Shrier has libelled JK Rowling, although it would probably be a bit off solidarity-wise if Rowling took her to court for it. Be funny though.

Trans Activists are relentless - whatever can be tried to shut people up, they will try it. It's just so shoddy of crowd funding organisations to give in to that shit.

jj1968 - finding that the complainant (s) have been libelled is what would be crucial in this case, more than any payout would be the signal it sends that - yes, even on twitter! - you can't just tell blatant lies about ppl who oppose your ideas.

Spero us right - these lies can spread far and wide in an instant, especially from such a high profile account as that.

spero can you not send a GDPR subject access request to twitter to get the info you require? Granted, it may take a little longer but you might get the info you need?

@PatsArrow

That's how folk like that operate., they are desperate to shut down any dissenting voices.

They shouldn't need to, if their case stands on its own merits.

Thanks for the update @Spero.

I wonder who requested the names to be removed? I can hazard a guess although I won't name them.

One of the individuals concerned has unlocked their twitter amount, I notice. Interesting.

Sorry to see some people are even trying to shut down your fund raising page Spero.

I think libel law needs to catch up with the internet age. When I discovered what was going on, it was already in 4 newspapers and thousand of twitter accounts. If the court criticise me for attempting to promote my version of events - so be it. But remaining silent was not an option in the face of such wide spread dissemination of such a grotesque twisting of what I had said.

The best thing to do would be to say something like I deny the claims made about me by x and have sought legal advice. Retweeting the libel and getting all your followers to pile onto them looks more like a personal spat than any sincere concern about the libel being propagated. Usually when people are libelled they want to shut it down, not amplify it.

I'd have thought the first thing the court will need to establish is whether the comment is libellous or not.

Good to know jj1968 is as reliable when offering legal opinions as all their other opinions.

I did like them setting up that train joke perfection though. More of those, please.

So people are really in an impossible situation. Deny the libel and stand up for yourself - courts then penalise you? Just what are people supposed to do? Allow it to go by unchallenged?

That's a ridiculous comment jj1968. 🙄

Do you endorse this libel of me and of @ jk_rowling by your star lawyer?

If you are concerned about your reputation being damaged due to being libelled then re-broadcasting that libel to 70,000 people is unlikely to impress the courts.

I wonder if JKR would be more likely to take action if it's in combination with AS? She's got the financial clout to do it, unlike most.

As one of the comments on the twitter link says, these people deserve to be punished for such lies - why should they be untouchable?

It's all fair comment apparently! So I aim to enjoy my goose sauce.

It's enough to send to insane Spero.

However yes it's been widely reported and you'd have to living in a box to nog know who your case refers to. The mediocre Scottish actor hasn't protected his tweets for nothing. I'd say he's rattled.

Ironic update.

Just received an email from Crowdfunder saying that they have received complaints and want me to remove 'defamatory content' from the overview. They have also disabled comments as they contained defamation!

I have removed what they identify as the problematic content, safe in the knowledge that it has now been widely reported upon in the media and is well and truly in the public domain.

I can't help however but feel the irony keenly that I am supposed to suck it up when I am called a Holocaust Denier as 'fair comment' - but my 'fair comment' about the disgraceful behaviour of a number of prominent people must be removed as potentially defamatory.

But welcome to 2021.

Brilliant piece! I hope AS sues. She has been treated abominably.

Great, angry piece by Glenn Greenwald touching on the subject:

The overarching rule of liberal media circles and liberal politics is that you are free to accuse anyone who deviates from liberal orthodoxy of any kind of bigotry that casually crosses your mind — just smear them as a racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, etc. without the slightest need for evidence — and it will be regarded as completely acceptable.

[..]

That’s the purpose, the function, of these lowly accusatory tactics: to control, to coerce, to dominate, to repress. The people who engage in these character-assassinating, censorship-fostering games — especially those who call themselves “journalists” — deserve nothing but intense scorn. And those who are free from their influence and power have a particular obligation to heap it on them. Aside from being what it deserves, that scorn is the only way to neutralize this tactic.

And one step better than scorn, is to actually use the legal tools we have available to fight back, as Sarah is doing, and I for one am happy to fund that.

Abigail Shrier is apparently also maybe considering it:

How about it @ ACLU?

Do you endorse this libel of me and of @ jk_rowling by your star lawyer?

Let's do this.

Yes Glinner especially is being mercilessly attacked in his pocket right now by TRA's. Not happy with trashing his reputation and leaving him without support amoungst blue tick celebrities, they're trying to cut off every single avenue of income for him by targeting his substack etc.

This is the only way the TRA's know how to fight - through Twitter bans and targeted harassment.

And this is why I'm so bloody thankful for the handful of women like Sarah who are standing up to it. It takes a rare and admirable combination of courage, resilience, focused rage and determination, all backed by financial resources. The rest of us can help with the last thing, but it must feel like a lonely and terrifying battle to embark upon.

Honourable mention to Glinner and Harry. Not women but standing up for us.

Yes, this is why it's absolutely invidious!
Most people don't have the resources and wherewithal to fight back against malevolent rumours, and the people responsible for them know this.

Sorry that's a bit of a crap analogy but it tues annoy me the type of stuff people expect people to ignore.