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Dear Owen Jones, we are not frightened of transgender people, we are frightened of men.

293 replies

dearoj · 25/01/2021 14:49

There you go, fixed that for you.

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 26/01/2021 15:12

I now have an image in my head of Tinsel hurtling across a swimming pool full of trifle.

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 14:51

He's made the thread longer. Crikey. Man really is drunk on his own self righteousness.

zanahoria · 26/01/2021 14:47

One day, there will be TV programmes about the onslaught against trans people. Those who victimised trans people today will be portrayed in them. They'll go down in history as hate figures

mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1354034056971878405

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 11:12

@MaudTheInvincible

There is enormous sensitivity ...

I didn't know that, Arabella. Interesting.

I've had posts deleted more than once for mentioning/asking about possible correlations. Deleted very, very quickly. As have others.

Of course, one of the signs of such a group is abhorrence & disallowing of any kind of dissent, questioning or criticism. A 'no debate' kind of stance wrt tenets.

NotBadConsidering · 26/01/2021 11:01

With regards to his rant, one of his tweets stated a question being excluded is “Why are there no trans Olympic medallists [sic]?”

Why is this always brought up? I worked out the other that hundreds of women and girls have been negatively affected by just 6 trans athletes. The fact that Jones can’t see these women and girls says it all really. His attitude is utterly vile.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 26/01/2021 10:51

If Talcum X was a pudding he'd be a raw vegan cheesecake.

MaudTheInvincible · 26/01/2021 10:34

There is enormous sensitivity ...

I didn't know that, Arabella. Interesting.

AbsintheFriends · 26/01/2021 10:33

A gooseberry fool with the sugar left out. Sour, bitter and slimey.

A fool for sure. Any kind.

Pyewhacket · 26/01/2021 10:01

Is that men as a class or men as a concept or just all men, irrespective ?.

BurningBright · 26/01/2021 09:57

Or slimy, even...

BurningBright · 26/01/2021 09:57

And if Talcum X was a pudding what would he be?

A gooseberry fool with the sugar left out. Sour, bitter and slimey.

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 09:44

No desire to break up the pudding-party, but wanted to note:

There is enormous sensitivity to anyone on MN ever using the Saw You Last Tuesday word, to the extent I now don't type it out for fear of being deleted.

If the latest tack is suggesting that gc feminism is some kind of SawYou, this is interesting. Why would anybody be floating that idea?

For the avoidance of doubt, cults are common, and I think it's always healthy to question any movement/group to check it's not showing elements of cultish behaviour.

Cults usually share certain patterns/characteristics:

    It uses psychological coercion to recruit and indoctrinate potential members. (e.g. love bombing, isolation, confusion, rules, abuse)

    It forms an elitist totalitarian society.

    Its founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable and has charisma.

    It believes the end justifies the means in order to solicit funds or recruit people.

    Its wealth does not benefit its members or society.

The above taken from: cultinformation.org.uk/article_cult-concerns.html

Cuntysnark · 26/01/2021 08:43

I’m loving this thread. I can confirm you can’t run across slurry. Too outing to explain but it’s true.

The pudding analogy-lemon meringue pie that someone forgot to put sugar in the lemon component. Soft and fluffy on the outside (ok I’m stretching it) but bitter underneath. Particularly handy if the pastry is hard & brittle. It’s not a good lemon meringue pie.

WarOnWomen · 26/01/2021 08:41

What's the issue with Weetabix?

OJ:Secret Mumsnetter Grin

EdgeOfACoin · 26/01/2021 08:37

I don't think OJ spends much time here.

Didn't he do an interview recently where he was quite dismissive of the idea that women would lose out in sport because mtf transitioners would take their places? (I thought someone mentioned such an interview - I haven't seen it myself.)

Anyone who has glanced at Mumsnet knows there have been plenty of cases where this has happened. Some try to minimise the issue but they can't pretend that it doesn't exist altogether.

OJ, I think, doesn't even want to know whether it is a problem.

merrymouse · 26/01/2021 08:27

@Silvetmoon

I don’t understand how the Guardian can continue giving him a platform, it reflects on them terribly.
Even if you know nothing about the issue, if staff are accusing each other of being in a cult, the editor’s position should not be to pretend nothing is happening.
DickKerrLadies · 26/01/2021 08:21

@merrymouse

How much time is OJ spending on MN?

None, I would guess.

He probably just sees tweets about posts.

TBF, our monitors provide an excellent service by stalking us and reporting all our heresy witchcraft threads to their twitter followers so that OJ and others don't have to.

[waves]

Soontobe60 · 26/01/2021 08:16

@ArabellaScott
You’ve obviously never been to the one on Salford Quays!! It’s a really odd shape, its got an upstairs which is sometimes open, sometimes not, and the staff are all wannabe actors hoping to get talent spotted from the TV execs popping in for take out lunch

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 26/01/2021 07:52

@Silvetmoon

I don’t understand how the Guardian can continue giving him a platform, it reflects on them terribly.
Have you read the G lately? Full on tra la la. Anyway, OJ would be a two day out of date sugar free organic Skyr.
Daca · 26/01/2021 07:32

I am Talcum X AMA ... lol

merrymouse · 26/01/2021 07:30

How much time is OJ spending on MN?

None, I would guess.

He probably just sees tweets about posts.

Sexnotgender · 26/01/2021 07:22

Maybe Talcum X would like to do a non censored, no holds barred discussion here?

DickKerrLadies · 26/01/2021 06:59

I do have one question.

How much time is OJ spending on MN?

When I think about posting for the lurkers, I'll be honest and say that OJ isn't really who I think about as being a lurker.

It's hard to hear anything other than "she's a witch - burn her!" though. Same sentiment - 'they disagree with us so they must be witches a cult because obviously we're on the right side of history and we know the truth about what women think'

Jetatyeovilaerodrome · 26/01/2021 06:52

Also, LOJ can fuck off with his tantrum and come back to me when he's calmed himself down and speak like a rational human being.

Yes, that was quite the tantrum on Twitter last night wasn't it? Replies turned off as usual because of course women speaking up for themselves and responding to him is, as he puts it, 'bile'.

Prick.

jay55 · 26/01/2021 06:16

I like how LOJ is allowed to gatekeep a TV series but women cannot have anything for their sex.
I hate custard and rice pudding and tapioca.