Dear Owen Jones, we are not frightened of transgender people, we are frightened of men.

Other related thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4148369-Fun-piece-on-Uncancelled-why-are-lefty-men-so-keen-to-bin-womens-rights

Someone posted this great article on another thread:

www.uncancelled.co.uk/tie-world/gender/left-wing-men-womens-rights-patriarchal-control/

A question indeed. And he's not alone among left wing social justice supporting men who claim to be "feminist" in talking over women and deciding for us what our political goals and rights should be.

What gives OJ the right to dictate what a politically minority group - women - should do?

Oh dear Owen.

Women are afraid of men.
Men are not afraid of women.
This explains why men do not object to transmen in their spaces.
However, many transmen feel very afraid of Men in men's spaces. (men's prisons, toilets etc)

The problem seems to be men.

Vix.

I’m walking on custaaaaard woo woo
I’m walking on custaaaard woo hoo
And don’t it feel good ?
🎶

Fantastic series, though. Strongly recommended to anyone who hasn't seen it yet

Yes, I'm enjoying it...because I was around at that time, and because I recognise the various characters, social clues, and memes; and the soundtrack of course ( even though it is not entirely accurate)...but not sure I'd call it fantastic. A bit too superficial for my taste, generally. A bit too 'am-dram'.

@Justhadathought, I agree. There were some interesting stories waiting to be told there. Why was Colin's mum on her own? Why was she in a wheelchair? What had happened to Ritchie's mum to make her the way she was? What about Roscoe's mum, sister and aunt(s) - what was their story?

Jill was a wonderfully acted character, but she was too good to be true. What was her own hinterland? Why was she so far in advance of her young male housemates in recognising the threat and trying to do something about it? Did she have a love life? What happened to the flat after the closing credits? What's she doing now?

Fantastic series, though. Strongly recommended to anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

All of the women in It's a Sin feature as supporters and care -givers. None have a real life of their own. Especially the main female character. She exists purely as a prop to support her male friends. She is very one dimensional in that respect. It does make you wonder if that is how many gay men tend to view women. As background over-blown divas, shrills, nags or fag hags.

Dear Owen Jones, Imagine yourself with a daughter, let's say she's 10 years old and you take her to a swimming pool. She has to get changed in the ladies changing room. You obviously can't go in there with her, you're a man. Are you (genuinely) happy for a transwoman to be in there with your daughter? A fully intact male-bodied person in the same space as your daughter? Really?

And when your imaginary daughter goes for her first smear test or vaginal exam and says she would prefer it if a female doctor or nurse did the test, would you really tell her that it's ok if a male-bodied person does it, as long as he 'feels' like a woman? Really?

Because, dearest Owen, I don't know ANYBODY - female, male, gay, straight, who would feel comfortable with either of these scenarios for their own daughter/sister/niece.

The most famous Jones flounce was this one on Sky News:

It was following the Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016.

[quote WarOnWomen]Oh I love Janice Turner's response to LOJ tweets. Go Janice 👏🏻👏🏻💕👏🏻👏🏻

mobile.twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1354116694009147396[/quote]
A marvellous response from Janice. The points she raise need mentioning time and time again until coherent answers are provided. Of course it will go unanswered, LOJ is clearly incapable of engaging in reasonable adult discussions. Unless of course firing off a string of rage-induced tweets and pressing 'block responses' is now considered mature, rational, adult behaviour [shrug]

A mystery wrapped around an enigma...

Has anyone ever seen a rape threat from a transman?

Is it just men and transwomen who do that?

Odd when you think about it?

That's why trans ideology is so inherently homophobic, because the dogma erases sexual preference, including homosexuality.

And LOJ demonstrates perfectly that the implementation of the ideology is occurring in a highly sexist manner.

Gay males are allowed to have hard sexual boundaries. Their orientations are largely respected. So are straight males'. But lesbians are not permitted to refuse to consider penis-havers; their right to a sexual orientation is not respected. Not are straight women permitted a stable orientation; if your husband transitions you must reidentify yourself as a lesbian or bisexual.

Dident he flounce in an interview when someone asked him if he would be happy to sleep with a transman? which indicates he knows full well what sex is.

It's wasn't an interview, it was on Twitter. However, no one can ever seem to come up with screenshots or anything for it, it does seem to be a bit of an OJ 'urban legend'.

However, it is pretty clear that, as a gay man he wouldn't be interested in vaginas. After all, being a 'vagina decliner' is what it means to be a gay man isn't it? It's just not what you are into.

That's why trans ideology is so inherently homophobic, because the dogma erases sexual preference, including homosexuality. The line is 'why are you so obsessed with genitals, they don't matter' but that is a large part of what sexual orientation is?

He was waxing wroth because someone asked him whether he'd date a transman just the other night.

Gets very upset about that. Yet utterly refuses to back lesbians. It's as if he genuinely doesn't see the connection and why women are asking.

Didnt he flounce in an interview when someone asked him if he would be happy to sleep with a transman?

If I recall correctly, he'd been lecturing those uppity lesbians about their dreadful bigotry in refusing to consider male-born penis-having transwomen as sexual partners, whereupon someone inquired as to how many transmen he'd performed cunnilingus on.

Apparently this was revoltingly homophobic.

Insisting female homosexuals go against their orientation = progressive and good and much to be applauded.
Politely asking male homosexuals if they've ever gone against their orientation = heinous bigotry, get thee to the gulag at once.

Sadly not that theoretical for the women who are raped in jail, or the girls who lose out on scholarships for that matter.

When I was a kid my dad told me a story about his dad explaining to a young American solder from the south at the begining of WW2 that killing a black person was illegal.

The kid was at first thought he was joking, and then was shocked at such a notion, so novel was it for him to think of black people as equal humans.
I think this is the case with little oj. He just has no concept that women organising, speaking, fighting for their interests, as women and women only on thier own terms exists. He thinks its made up by right wing people.

Imagine if you will, someone he respected, someone he could not block, say Noam Chomsky, going on his twitter thread and explaining the basics of the GC position. I think he would be genuinly confused by the concept that Womens lives matter independantly of men.

TyroTerf:

"I see Jolyon identifies as a feminist too. What on earth do they think that word means?"

I gather anyone who is full-on TWAW will believe they're fighting for all women. 😆

Didnt he flounce in an interview when someone asked him if he would be happy to sleep with a transman? which indicates he knows full well what sex is

Well, yes, of course he knows what sex is really........Everyone does. But the trans ideology has nothing to do with reality; only with feelings, and only with notions of social justice. It is all theoretical.