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The BBC is pushing an adult trans activist agenda onto children

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stumbledin · 25/01/2021 00:34

All BBC programming and content directed towards children and young people on the subject of transgender pushes an extreme adult, political trans activist agenda.

The Mail has reported on the notorious BBC Teach episode that teaches children there are over 100 ‘gender identities’ including ‘male’ and ‘female.’ Despite all the complaints, the episode is still up and children are still viewing it.

We have been writing to the BBC and we thought this would be a good time to openly share our latest letter.

Continues at www.transgendertrend.com/bbc-adult-trans-activist-agenda-children/

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TheFleegleHasLanded · 26/01/2021 17:56

BBC ‘100 Genders’ video has been ‘retired’. Apparently we were ‘wilfully misinterpreting’ it....

twitter.com/carolinefff/status/1354108127617183744?s=21

MadamMadness · 26/01/2021 15:46

As far as I know, doctors cannot predict when someone will stop growing. This applies whether the young person is growing naturally or on Puberty Blockers or on Testosterone.

TheFnozwhowasmirage · 26/01/2021 13:14

I've had a shocking few days,so filling that BBC survey out was very cathartic.
I'm a farmer and was well aware of their incorrect reporting about 'meat killing the planet' using evidence of agricultural practices that are illegal in the UK,to lambast the British farming industry. They had to admit that they were wrong on that,but did so very quietly,with zero publicity.
I gave them a right hammering over their pushing of misogynistic drag programmes,and their pushing trans 'rights' at every opportunity to children. I don't watch TV any more,as their constant farmer bashing was enough,so I'm glad that none of my money has gone towards funding their hatred of women and ambivalence over child safe guarding.

Winesalot · 26/01/2021 09:16

Quaagars

You’ve been on these threads long enough to have seen the results of what happened when the Swedish government acted to only present balanced programmes on TV and in media. Meaning that programmes like the education segment referred to here and the shows such as Leo’s would not be allowed to be shown without significant balancing and review to ensure the message is not that if girls don’t like their female body, and want to play football they are boys like Leo felt they were and are.

I’ll post it here just in case.

genderreport.ca/the-swedish-u-turn-on-gender-transitioning/

The point is, by presenting a balanced programming around transpeople, the number of children being referred to gender clinics dropped dramatically.

There is a line that the beeb seems to be crossing regarding how it presents trans issues. There are ways to present the stories of transitioners that is balanced and informative and there needs to be detransitioner stories being told again in a balanced way.

YouSetTheTone · 26/01/2021 08:50

@Quaagars while on one level your reaction is understandable and probably comes from a ‘good place’ - have you read the letter in the op? It sets out clearly the safeguarding issues as a result of such broadcasting. We need look beyond ‘being kind’, ‘knowing about LGQT issues’ and looking at the consequences. A lot of it is quite startlingly obvious when you look at it carefully.

I’m forwarding this letter to the PSHE lead at my son’s school (primary).

midgebabe · 26/01/2021 07:40

Being told aged 12 that it was possible to change sex would have been life changing for me.an opportunity to be grasped with both hands

It would have led me down a path that would likely have sterilised me.possibly impeded my mental development. Taken away my future sex life. Which aged 12 would have seemed a great idea.

It would have changed me. And prevented me from reproducing other people like me. People who don't have a pink brain but do have a female body.

Surely it is far far better to show that such drastic action is virtually never needed? That not fitting a mould is just fine. That people will love you not bully you even if you aren't like them. Because girls are not being supported to be free of stereotypes and be themselves .

OldCrone · 26/01/2021 01:54

It seems to me a good thing what they're doing.

Do you think it's a good thing that they're teaching children that they might have a girl's brain in a boy's body or vice versa? Or that a girl who just a few years ago would have been called a 'tomboy' is now told that she's really a boy and that she can become one (with the help of hormones and surgery)?

Why shouldn't people know about LGBT identities?

What are LGBT identities? Is this to do with the 100 genders which the BBC think children need to know about? Why do children need to know about these 100 genders? And what are they anyway?

Quaagars · 26/01/2021 00:01

I don't get the animosity towards the BBC?
I mean, I'm not LGBT in the slightest (completely straight) and as far as I know everyone in my family is too.
It seems to me a good thing what they're doing.
As in, raising awareness of people who are LGB, or T (putting T separate as know there's lots on here that think it shouldn't be there)
Why shouldn't people know about LGBT identities?
Doesn't mean knowing about them means you're automatically going to want to become it!

NeedToKnow101 · 25/01/2021 22:34

@CranberriesChoccyAgain

Have you the BBC ever acknowledged their complicity or apologized for their failure to keep young girls safe from harm?

just googled. In 2012 there was some sort of apology from them. It seems to refer to 'women' he abused, rather than 'girls.'

YouSetTheTone · 25/01/2021 22:21

I also enjoyed the satisfying experience earlier of completing the survey and letting the BBC know exactly what I thought of their dangerously unbalanced content on CBBC and that I refused to let my children watch it as a result. Referenced Baroness Emma Nicholson to show them that I have noticed the objections being raised beyond my own house.
Thank you for this resource - all grist to the mill!

TheFleegleHasLanded · 25/01/2021 21:55

Complain and keep complaining. Then complain again.

conservativesforwomen.org/complain-to-the-bbc-about-its-promotion-of-gender-ideology-again-and-then-again

gardenbird48 · 25/01/2021 21:38

The possibility of being maybe an inch or two taller is hardly compensation for loss of fertility and sexual function, lowering of IQ, probable osteoporosis and all the other disbenefits that result from not going through a normal puberty and having their natural hormones blocked.

And if a small height gain is realistic, if osteoporosis kicks in, any height gains will be short lived and well be reversed within a short time. I think the girl featured in the American article about the terrible side effects of a particular brand of pb mentioned that her spine was crumbling (she’d been prescribed them for a short time for precocious puberty and was suffering terrible health problems in her 20s) and some suffered such bone density decline that their teeth were falling out.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 25/01/2021 21:02

Have you the BBC ever acknowledged their complicity or apologized for their failure to keep young girls safe from harm?

NeedToKnow101 · 25/01/2021 20:57

Jim'll Fix It was on until 1994.

NeedToKnow101 · 25/01/2021 20:45

@Toseland

Today I find the BBC a rather sinister organisation. They covered up Savile completely. Virtually everyday there is a pushy trans or drag story on the homepage. Now Drag Race and Mrs Brown’s boys are their top shows! (both awful programmes openly mocking women). Grrrr

I do too. And they weren't good at protecting children before trans came along. Saville was on Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix it for years, throughout the 80s; abusing children ON SET and around the studio, with the knowledge of BBC bosses. BBC have the power to paint themselves as good guys; doesn't mean they are.

PlantMam · 25/01/2021 20:42

Puberty blockers, MAY help an individual in this way.

They’d have to begin very early in a natal female puberty to have that effect, certainly earlier than than GIDS’ average.

Girls are pretty much fully grown at the onset of menses, and as most gender distressed children desist at puberty, prescribing GnRHa’s at a stage where they might see a growth benefit is likely have the side effect of locking them into their dysphoric feelings.
Natal males start their natal growth spurt, on average, 2 years later than natal females, so if you were to start both at a common age of say, 13 and carry on prescribing until giving cross sex hormones at 17, the female children won’t grow much more at all and the male children will likely grow taller than their original project adult height (the majority of the MtF paediatric transitioners in the public eye are tall, certainly much taller than average, non puberty blocked, natal females).

The only way to get the desired aesthetic effect of taller trans boys/smaller trans girls is to medically intervene at a much younger age, which is clearly unethical.

As a side note, how can anyone say that the effects of puberty blockers are ‘reversible’ if they make you grow taller? You aren’t going to shrink back down if you decide not to progress fo cross sex hormones!

SpotsInMyNose · 25/01/2021 20:28

100 genders? I suppose they mean personality related to people's sexuality.

MaudTheInvincible · 25/01/2021 20:21

I agree. It was that 'MAY' that I was most struck by, and tried to respond to.

OldCrone · 25/01/2021 20:12

@MaudTheInvincible

Thanks MadamMadness. It's comforting to hear that there's at least the chance of a benefit, and the clinicians at the Tavi (and elsewhere) aren't just prescribing these drugs with no possible gain for these girls whatsoever. Their female patients MAY grow taller than they would have otherwise. Can likely beneficiaries be predicted with any accuracy, do you know?
The possibility of being maybe an inch or two taller is hardly compensation for loss of fertility and sexual function, lowering of IQ, probable osteoporosis and all the other disbenefits that result from not going through a normal puberty and having their natural hormones blocked.

And on top of this, children who take this route find themselves out of step with their peers in terms of development and are likely to become more and more socially isolated as a result.

Puberty blocking drugs: ‘For the past four years I’ve been stuck as a child’

MaudTheInvincible · 25/01/2021 20:03

@StandUpStraight

Oh yes, have had a rubbish day but completing my BBC survey has perked me right up.

Yes, I gave them lots of valuable feedback, it was rather cathartic Grin

Toseland · 25/01/2021 19:49

Today I find the BBC a rather sinister organisation. They covered up Savile completely. Virtually everyday there is a pushy trans or drag story on the homepage. Now Drag Race and Mrs Brown’s boys are their top shows! (both awful programmes openly mocking women). Grrrr

MaudTheInvincible · 25/01/2021 19:25

Thanks MadamMadness. It's comforting to hear that there's at least the chance of a benefit, and the clinicians at the Tavi (and elsewhere) aren't just prescribing these drugs with no possible gain for these girls whatsoever. Their female patients MAY grow taller than they would have otherwise. Can likely beneficiaries be predicted with any accuracy, do you know?

TyroTerf · 25/01/2021 18:19

Children are being taught that stereotypes are bad, and there are no such things as "girls' toys" and "boys' toys

Both excellent messages, but I suspect the way we're teaching them all too often comes across as gaslighting to the kids.

Clothing is a better example than toys for this point. You tell kids that boys and girls can wear whatever they like, but what they see, when they look around them, is: anyone can wear trousers, but men don't ever wear skirts, or if they do they get funny looks (at best).

You have to teach them the next step in the critical analysis too: why do boys not wear skirts, even though they could? If this isn't explored, then the kid's left with their parents telling them that the general rule of thumb they've accurately identified isn't an unspoken social norm at all.

Where do you draw the line between someone who is 'living as' the opposite sex and someone who is simply not conforming to stereotypes?

I'd draw it right down the middle, because anyone who believes they're living as the opposite sex can only demonstrate this by conforming to the stereotypes of that sex. There's nothing gnc about putting on a frock and a bit of lippy and saying you're a real girl now, is there?

And having a gender identity is pointless if you think sex stereotypes are bad - why would you want to describe yourself in terms of those stereotypes?

Agreed, makes little sense - but remember the whacking great cognitive dissonance at the heart of gender-identity ideology. They don't acknowledge that gender identities are rooted in (and cannot exist without) stereotypes, because to do so would invoke the wrath of earlier generations (for whom sexism was the social justice cause du jour).

Also important to remember that sexist stereotypes exist in people's minds. Even if I myself know anyone can wear a skirt, I know damned well that if others see me wearing one there's a fair chance they don't see me, they see 'skirt-wearing, woman, associated negative stereotypes', and if they're male, 'target'.

Which is why I'm adamant that woman is not my gender identity. Still a woman though, on account of being female. A not-woman g.i. is just shorthand for 'stop expecting these stereotypes to be applicable to me' in the context of a social world in which those stereotypes are still very much alive and kicking.

Which brings us full circle back to gaslighting kids. Telling them the stereotypes are basically imaginary, made up, not real, irrelevant, when stereotype - assigning general properties to a class based on observed behaviour of some members of that class - is a very real aspect of how human minds function.

Anything which can be done by both sexes can't be described as living as the opposite sex since both sexes can do it.

I agree, but when it comes to the whole trans wossname, it's always worthwhile putting the missing words in and seeing what the hell they're talking about. It's possible to live in a manner typical of the opposite sex, if you're in a society with marked distinctions between the sexes in terms of social norms, dress standards, etc. Because you could survey every man and woman in the country and see that (made up numbers alert) 80% of women sometimes wear skirts and 2% of men do, and truthfully state that skirt-wearing is typically observed in women and not men.

It's not so much about what's physically possible, but rather what's socially possible.

And then bog standard sexist bias comes into play, as always.

StandUpStraight · 25/01/2021 17:58

Oh yes, have had a rubbish day but completing my BBC survey has perked me right up.

Redshoeblueshoe · 25/01/2021 17:38

If any of you have a BBC account they are doing a survey of what people think of them. I have just received an email from them.

I certainly enjoyed doing that 😂 Please fill it in