The Guardian - 'Non Transgender Girls', 'Female Transwomen' - transwomen are now the default

There is a term that is banned on MN because it upsets the TRAs and triggers mass complaints.

Transwoman is a deliberately confusing term, because it incorporates the word woman in a term used exclusively for males. On MN I am obliged to use it if I do not wish to be deleted. In RL I use the accurate description that accurately references the individual's sex and the fact that they do not identify as that sex.

I'll second that hear hear!

I'm afraid it's making me more convinced that I need to stop using the phrase woman at all, in any context, for anyone not biologically female. It's been being 'kind' and 'polite' and trying to help that has caused this; you cannot extend this kind of social niceness to a movement that has no reciprocal values or respect for you. That isn't being nice, it's merely being a mug...

Hear, hear, Michelle!

When I see evidence of TW and activists concerned about women and the rights and needs of women, and with some respect for females, I may then be willing to reconsider.

But it's up to this political lobby to repair the damage they have caused now.

Calling girls non trangender girls

Well it's been around a while hasn't it. Virtue signalling taken to the extreme, and the strongest pat towards this political stance is to make it very clear that male self identified women are very much superior to and considered first while decrying mere female type women.

I'm afraid it's making me more convinced that I need to stop using the phrase woman at all, in any context, for anyone not biologically female. It's been being 'kind' and 'polite' and trying to help that has caused this; you cannot extend this kind of social niceness to a movement that has no reciprocal values or respect for you. That isn't being nice, it's merely being a mug, and it's been proven beyond all doubt now that it's been cynically taken full advantage of.

Calling girls non trangender girls is a nonsensical mangling of language and I consider it as offensive as a racial slur. Sportswomen need to boycott these events where they cannot compete fairly. And any companies who sponsor these events need to think what message that sends to their brand. You either have fairness in sport or not: where’s the competition?

Why do we even have the Paralympics? You might as well have people competing in that without disabilities ? They are just self identifying as disabled today ...

Yes. Non trans gender girls

What are they exactly

I’ll RTFT later. In the meantime I’m too busy being fucking furious with the erasure of this simple word: women.

Honestly. Heart is pounding.

I AM SO ANGRY!!!

If anyone is interested, here is the link to the interview Kellie-Jay did with the founder of Save Women's Sports. It's just under 17 minutes long and about a year old:

Mental gymnastics should be an Olympic event.

The plaintiffs argued transgender female runners had an unfair physical advantage. But the two transgender runners at the center of that case said in court filings that being able to run against girls was central to their wellbeing.

Okay, I think anyone who actually feels sympathy for the male runners after reading that "central to their wellbeing" claim is actually broken inside. That is the least sympathetic play for sympathy I have ever seen. I can't believe the Guardian printed it straight faced - well, I can actually. Fuck the Guardian.

How can anyone bring themselves to give a crap about someone whose "wellbeing" depends on being allowed to cheat at sports at the expense of all the other competitors? If cheating is central to your wellbeing... then perish.

Just to clarify

So, if I as an adult human female am (according to the logic of the article) a 'non-transgender woman', does that then mean that 'trans women are non-transgender women'?
TWANTW??
Or maybe I am now a non-male?

Confused...

Ah who gives a shit about those non transgender girls? They just need to figure out that their lives are all about deferring to the real people.

@NotBadConsidering You make excellent points I hadn't considered. Thank you.

‘Non-transgender girls’ is offensive and ridiculous- they are girls. Still GIRLS. Stop putting the gender identity filter on everyone, Guardian.

And ‘transgender females’ (.. when used to mean trans-identifying male-born people..) is appalling. The dogma is appropriating the biological sex term ‘female’ .... when they’ve already appropriated ‘woman’ and ‘girl’... and here the Guardian is doing all this dick pandering, which as well as erasing women and girls, makes trans people invisible too.

Because actual ‘transgender females’ are transmen. Remember them, Guardian? Apparently not. They don’t even figure in the new language orthodoxy. It just shows how mens rights and wishes and male supremacy is the real agenda here. I can’t believe anyone thinks this is progress.

I’m not objecting to my deletion & in fact I clarified my own post later in the thread. The picture The Guardian used of the trans athlete winning a race had been obviously photoshopped in the groin area but I was incorrect to say that The Guardian did it as I have no way of knowing that.

Also, the 3 medalists in the women's 800m in Rio were all XY.

It's so fucking blatant.

Yes, PersistentWoman, I think everyone who had a post deleted on this thread should ask MNHQ to review the deletion.

I'm sorry it got deleted. But there is nothing any monitor can do to make me un-see that photo, and the fact that some people clearly didn't want me to see it just makes the memory all the more vivid.

Clymene
Ask MNHQ to review it. Some time ago I got a strike when some saddo reported me for commenting that Lisa Nandy argued for male born rapists being placed in prison with women. When I sent them the link to where she said this, they apologised and reinstated the post.
They're under intense pressure taking reports from all sorts but are more than prepared to acknowledge errors in my experience.

There are certain sports men and women can compete. Eventing is one. Entirely reasonable for men and women to complete against each other in eventing. They almost always exclusively ride mares though.

Oh wait no, I remember now, chop off the horses bollocks and cut off his natural testosterone supply at year or so makes him a gelding not a mare. Silly me.

I’m really shitty at sports. It’s central to my well-being that I run against people who walk. It’s central to my well being I said. MY WELL BEING. ME ME ME.

No?!?!!!!

God what bigots you are all for not doing as I tell you. Your erasing my literal life with your literal violence.

I bloody hope my deleted post which had photographs from a highly sympathetic interview with Terry Miller hasn't got me a strike.

What rule did posting them break?

If anyone would be interested in reading the interview with Miller (obviously the photos should be banned or have a trigger warning or something ), it's here:

https://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroupid=44531&do=news&newss_id=577886

This is the fundamental issue when trying to engage with an ideology that believes not talking about things, or not acknowledging things, makes them go away.