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A war of words is beginning to wipe women out of existence, Janice Turner in the Times

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Igneococcus · 22/01/2021 18:12

Haven't actually read it yet:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca340930-5cce-11eb-86f4-4fa0aa4e7fd3?shareToken=12c48ac962c2fb8fc9593cc9f5bbf5f3

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Winesalot · 22/01/2021 20:51

It shows up all the dehumanizing language used for the word ‘woman’. And the hypocrisy where man is left as is.

Of course, it will be hand waved away. People will deny that it is causing harm, that it is wildly sexist. Because they are kind and women complaining are meeeennnn.

SunsetSenora · 22/01/2021 20:48

Amazing - thanks for the share. The point about mens health was mind blowing - maybe there needs to be more demands that man referring language be changed in this way. It is so disheartening to see this happening.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 22/01/2021 20:46

Amazing

malloo · 22/01/2021 20:41

Fantastic article, thank you Janice, and The Times. She's covered so many important points and not a word wasted.

Time40 · 22/01/2021 20:29

Wow, that's a seriously good article. Thanks for sharing, OP.

MichelleofzeResistance · 22/01/2021 20:18

Excellent article, she covers it all.

And yes, Johann Lamont nails it. Often it's a case of hiding the real debate behind a lot of emotive rhetoric. The bones need to be pulled out into plain sight and discussed. There's very good reason why those pushing this political position are afraid to do that; they do not have the courage to admit to the reality of their views, nor to face others and defend them openly.

Which should really be all the clue their conscience needs to give them.

fatblackcatspaw · 22/01/2021 20:17

excellent article

HecatesCats · 22/01/2021 20:14

So good and she used such a great quote from Johann Lamont. We should be able to have this debate in the open, this is the consequence this is the cost...

“If members do not agree that women survivors of violence and rape should be able to ask for a woman examiner,” said Labour MSP Johann Lamont, “they should say so, and we can have that debate.”

ArabellaScott · 22/01/2021 20:13

Fantastic article, thanks for the share token, and thank you Janice.

HermioneWeasley · 22/01/2021 20:08

She’s such an excellent writer

aliasundercover · 22/01/2021 19:56

Meanwhile The Guardian has an article about sport in the US that describes male bodied people as ‘ transgender female athletes’ (I think ... it’s becoming increasingly difficult to know what The Guardian is talking about), and girls as ‘ non-transgender girls’ so that’s girls then.

Well done Janice Turner. I need to read a sane voice every now and then.

TiersDryOnTheirOwn · 22/01/2021 19:56

Just superb.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/01/2021 19:42

ThanksJanice.

IheartJKR · 22/01/2021 19:42

Flowersthank you Janice Star

TodgerStrunk · 22/01/2021 19:39

Bloody hell that's got it all in it. Well done Janice.

Shimmyshimmycocobop · 22/01/2021 19:31

This also explains why men’s charities and health bodies are under no equivalent pressure to refer to “testicle-havers” or “ejaculators”
Men are still men: women are now merely persons.

These were the parts which stood out for me although she absolutely nails it in the rest of the article. How anyone can see this as anything other than misogyny is beyond me.

XXSex · 22/01/2021 19:19

Brilliant

DappledOliveGroves · 22/01/2021 19:18

Fabulous article. How on earth anyone can read it and disagree is beyond me. No doubt she'll face more endless abuse.

EdgeOfACoin · 22/01/2021 19:17

Fantastic article.

It so clearly makes the case. Thank you, Janice.

GrouchyKiwi · 22/01/2021 19:16

Fantastic article. So well expressed.

Thank you, Janice.

Whatwouldscullydo · 22/01/2021 18:59

Wow it has it all.

Really good article

Lifeaintalwaysempty · 22/01/2021 18:50

Absolutely brilliant. Thank you for sharing

Maladicta · 22/01/2021 18:48

Brava

Igneococcus · 22/01/2021 18:45

I'm glad the Times gave her more space than her usual Saturday column for this.

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DaenarysStormborn · 22/01/2021 18:45

Wonderful article...thank you Janice!