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A war of words is beginning to wipe women out of existence, Janice Turner in the Times

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Igneococcus · 22/01/2021 18:12

Haven't actually read it yet:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca340930-5cce-11eb-86f4-4fa0aa4e7fd3?shareToken=12c48ac962c2fb8fc9593cc9f5bbf5f3

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persistentwoman · 22/01/2021 23:17

Powerful and passionate. Thank you Janice.

OvaHere · 22/01/2021 22:58

Fanny Sad

FannyCann · 22/01/2021 22:53

Brilliant article.

This evening I am feeling sad for a beautiful young woman I know whose body and health have been ravaged by her treatment for cervical cancer. She no longer has cancer, she no longer has a cervix.
So she is not a cervix haver. Is she no longer a woman? What an insult to a beautiful soul who doesn't deserve the suffering she is going through.

How dare anyone erase the language and respect that women are entitled to.

Franke · 22/01/2021 22:38

Strange that no comments are appearing below the article.

Jetatyeovilaerodrome · 22/01/2021 22:35

What a fucking brilliant article - it has it all!

Thank you Janice.

WildHorsesRunInMe · 22/01/2021 22:31

Great article

ChattyLion · 22/01/2021 22:29

It is a profound shame that President Biden did not also seek to enshrine both characteristics in US law rather than simply conflate gender identity with sex.

Absolutely. And this avoidable harm will take years to unpick. Thank you Janice for highlighting the damage caused by this conflation so eloquently. Legalising gender self ID in the US with no debate is like something from a nightmare.

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

quixote9 · 22/01/2021 22:15

"We can have that debate." ... Talk about a No Debate issue!

Anyway, main point, Turner is brilliant.

Datun · 22/01/2021 22:13

@HecatesCats

So good and she used such a great quote from Johann Lamont. We should be able to have this debate in the open, this is the consequence this is the cost...

“If members do not agree that women survivors of violence and rape should be able to ask for a woman examiner,” said Labour MSP Johann Lamont, “they should say so, and we can have that debate.”

Yes. This is the bottom line.

Ask the questions. It instantly shows up the issue.

Datun · 22/01/2021 22:11

She never wasted a single word. Quite remarkable writer.

EwwSprouts · 22/01/2021 22:05

So clearly explained. I hope it reaches teen females.

MaudTheInvincible · 22/01/2021 21:56

@MiladyBerserko

Isn't the US Guardian part funded by the Pritzker Group? And the Gates Foundation?
I keep hearing the same names in relation to funding
Melroses · 22/01/2021 21:53

Brilliant article.

Hopeishere52 · 22/01/2021 21:48

Excellent article

OvaHere · 22/01/2021 21:16

Very good article from Janice.

MiladyBerserko · 22/01/2021 21:10

Isn't the US Guardian part funded by the Pritzker Group? And the Gates Foundation?

AnjouPear · 22/01/2021 21:07

What a fantastic article.

"A backlash can only build."

God I hope she's right. It feels a bit bleak at the moment.

MaudTheInvincible · 22/01/2021 21:06

Yeah I agree Hecate this time will come back to haunt them

AbsintheFriends · 22/01/2021 21:06

This is the article to bookmark for sharing with my woke daughters, when they're ready. This eloquently encompasses everything I have tried to express in all our heated, emotionally fraught conversations over the last 3 years.

Thank you Janice.

HecatesCats · 22/01/2021 21:01

The bones need to be pulled out into plain sight and discussed. There's very good reason why those pushing this political position are afraid to do that; they do not have the courage to admit to the reality of their views, nor to face others and defend them openly.

And precisely why they have operated by stealth. Their world view will not stand up to scrutiny in the years to come.

MoltenLasagne · 22/01/2021 20:59

Absolutely incredible article. She joins every dot, I can't think of a single stone she left unturned.

Binglebong · 22/01/2021 20:59

Great as always.

Toseland · 22/01/2021 20:54

The bloody Guardian is reporting this in it’s US Sports section.
Thank you Janice Flowers

BlackForestCake · 22/01/2021 20:51

Nice quote from James Baldwin. I'd like to see some blue-haired students call HIM a t*rf. (if they even know who he was)

Shedbuilder · 22/01/2021 20:51

Janice is going deeper and deeper, isn't she? Not just pointing out what's going on but taking the analysis further — into language and the way that language shapes thought and what can and can't be discussed. Great article. She really is up there with the best journalists I can think of. Her clarity of thought and economy of expression is second to none.