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A war of words is beginning to wipe women out of existence, Janice Turner in the Times

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Igneococcus · 22/01/2021 18:12

Haven't actually read it yet:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca340930-5cce-11eb-86f4-4fa0aa4e7fd3?shareToken=12c48ac962c2fb8fc9593cc9f5bbf5f3

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FannyCann · 23/01/2021 08:38

Comments will be heavily moderated, I think. There won't be any until the moderators start working. At some point last night there were supposedly 12 people writing comments at the same time.

Interesting. Comments were piling in on the surrogacy story, mostly from cheerleaders congratulating the author but a few from surrogacy skeptics. I posted one with a link that hasn't gone up yet. Maybe it will later, after the moderators take a look.

Franke · 23/01/2021 08:37

@ouchmyfeet still no comments. Interestingly I usually find the comments below articles in the Times that deal specifically with this subject quite heartening. People generally seem to get it. Comments below other subjects in the Times? Yeah, depressing.

lazylinguist · 23/01/2021 08:29

Brilliant article. Thanks for sharing, OP.

PinkyParrot · 23/01/2021 08:27

Does anyone have any links on if there’s even the beginning of a backlash in the US? It looks very bleak over there at the moment

I don't think here in the Uk we should take on US problems - they are a very different country (many conflicting religious views/ old fashioned opinions of women's roles) and we should concentrate on here where we have a small chance of improving things.
If we ignored the US things would seem more promising equality wise.

PinkyParrot · 23/01/2021 08:23

Ok, thanks, found it - it's quite prominent in the Comments section.

DazzlePaintedBattlePants · 23/01/2021 08:21

Does anyone have any links on if there’s even the beginning of a backlash in the US? It looks very bleak over there at the moment :(

boatyardblues · 23/01/2021 08:16

Pinky - The article is in the comments section of the Times. You can make a sharetoken by clicking on the envelope at the top of the article. It creates a draft email with the html link in it. You can then C&P the link.

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HumphreyCobblers · 23/01/2021 08:14

It is quite far down on the comments section PinkyParrot

HumphreyCobblers · 23/01/2021 08:13

Thanks - I thought maybe I had a glitch. Looking forward to reading those too.

PinkyParrot · 23/01/2021 08:13

Can you tell me where you found it @Igneococcus?

boatyardblues · 23/01/2021 08:13

Igneococcus - I just linked to your OP in the AIBU thread about Janice’s article. If it times out based on clicks, a new token may be required in here later.

Bowednotbroken · 23/01/2021 08:13

I read this with tears in my eyes - want to thrust it under the noses of all the people who have dismissed me as a T*rf or a doomsayer, or even just a fusspot (including my own son and son-in-law!), to say THIS! This is why I'm concerned - bloody read it!! Well done Janice and thank you.

PinkyParrot · 23/01/2021 08:12

I subscribe to the Times online and can't see this - - I'm sure it's there but to have to search for this stuff means many people are not going to see it. I have found this before with articles.
It isn't under the Saturday Review.
I'll now do a search for Janice Turner - no still don't see it.

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Igneococcus · 23/01/2021 08:11

I agree boaty this will be a busy comment section. I wish they would people just let get on with it, it just interupts the flow of the discussion so much.

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boatyardblues · 23/01/2021 08:05

The comments on contentious articles are often held back until the moderators get inn at 9am and start releasing them. I’m anticipating several hundred comments to have been released by mid-morning. Even to the uninitiated, it’s a corking read.

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Igneococcus · 23/01/2021 08:05

Comments will be heavily moderated, I think. There won't be any until the moderators start working. At some point last night there were supposedly 12 people writing comments at the same time.

If anybody wants a share token to share with friends, send me a pm. I'm going to my lab for a bit later but I'm happy to supply share tokens if anyone wants one while I'm still here at the computer, I think the tokens expire after some time or usage.

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HumphreyCobblers · 23/01/2021 07:59

My edition is still not showing any comments on the article. Do they moderate them more heavily on this topic? Does anyone else have comments?

I have read it three times now. Superb.

EdgeOfACoin · 23/01/2021 07:44

Janice might be someone who deserves a thank you card for continuing to write about these issues.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 23/01/2021 02:41

Christ she’s just so talented Star

Men are still men: women are now merely persons. I would dispute the now SadAngry

SingingSands · 23/01/2021 02:02

Wonderful writing from Janice. I'd like to see this being shared "in the cold light of day". It needs as much publicity as possible.

JulesJules · 23/01/2021 01:21

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GAHgamel · 23/01/2021 00:42

My favourite line is: "Gender-neutral speech doesn’t make biology go away: it just removes the analytical tools to understand and address it."

ouchmyfeet · 22/01/2021 23:43

@Franke

Strange that no comments are appearing below the article.
I know, I have commented but nothing is showing up. I think my comment is pending review.

The comments on time articles are generally deeply depressing so I try not to engage but I couldn't read that without saying thank you to the author, it was just brilliant.

Lushers · 22/01/2021 23:33

Awesome piece of writing! I completely agree Janice Turner Thanks thank you for sharing this!