Ireland, Puberty Blockers are reversible, guidance issued to GPs

Tavistock is no longer providing services to Ireland. This arrangement was due to stop in January of this year (contract was up) but actually stopped in or around September last year (2020).

TENI know this and yet still put this information into the document:

“As the development of an Irish specific gender service for children and adolescents is at an early stage, changes to these suggestions may apply. Updates and guidance can be obtained through TENI.”

So they are directing GPs not back to the HSE but rather back to the lobby group for further information?!!

Who the hell signed off on this??

That attachment is from the Republic of Ireland so it is not going against UK NHS. Not that it makes a difference but just means they are not bound by UK courts

Bollocks. In normal circumstances I might well think they are better off being away from the Tavi, but perhaps not when it’s all captured by adult activists.

I know that Aidan Kelly fella who was in charge of the Irish side of things for GIDS has set up in private practice, so maybe he’s aiming at getting the HSE contract?

www.kellypsychology.co.uk/gender

Are Irish children still being treated by the Tavistock (I believe GIDS periodically fly their clinician out for a cluster of appointments, rather than fly individual children in)?

Because if so, it’s utterly bonkers that Irish children and adolescents are being supplied with info that is at odds with the official info from the clinic in charge of their care

Surely it can be challenged on those grounds?

Three puberty blockers thing is male focussed as well.

For males, puberty tends to start later. The changes are less easy to cover up. (Height, voice etc). For males, puberty blockers then cross sex hormones is the best chance of 'passing'. But at what cost? As I understand it they never really go through puberty, with the emotional, psychological and neurological changes that go with it. And physically the changes that are stopped are offset not just by effectively never growing up in some ways but also sexual development. All of this to start shorter and beardless etc. It's stopping normal development. How anyone sees all that as a nothing is, I don't get it.

But the main group of young people coming forward are female. My girls both started puberty at 8.5. they would need to be on puberty blockers then or very soon after. Female puberty starts earlier. And if you want to pass. Being super short, pre puberty or early puberty short is fucking short for a man.

It just all seems so wonky.

And. Dunno how to put this. The focus on breasts is very male gaze. Male thinking. A source of discomfort for girls for... ever? The visible sign that a girl is going through puberty or has been through puberty. A fetisished body part. Stated at. Page 3 etc. When I was at school girls starved themselves and wore baggy clothes. The transition from cute kid to female sexual object is extremely discomfiting for lots of girls.

A big focus for non binary or trans males (implants).
And for non binary and trans females the removal of these healthy body parts.

The whole thing seems to me about male gaze. Or at least for the many who are not sex dysphoric. Tits = female. Tits = sex object. Tits= signal of sexiness and availability.

Women don't think like this. Women and girls with large breasts get so much shit because of the way men react to a body part. Even covered up, even on a 14 yo. big breasts are seen as blatantly sexual. Obscene. Too obscene, a joke even, a fascination. See panto dames, drag. I remember Kenny Everett and Les Dawson.

Everything about this is driven by men. From what I can see.

This is an extremely disingenuous representation of a particular truth. Puberty blockers are reversible when used to pause puberty in the case of precocious puberty. Puberty blockers are irreversible when used over the long term to enable an "effective" transition.

When they're talking about puberty blockers being reversible they're then saying to themselves sotto voce "when used to pause puberty in the case of precocious puberty or only for a short period of time". The dishonesty of this is breathtaking. But there's something about this ideology that enables people, even medical professionals, to tell extraordinary lies.

When you're dealing with an ideology rooted in the belief that subjective emotion and personal choice creates reality, and that people sharing facts that interrupt or jar you from that personal reality are acting not only unkindly but in need of brainwashing and criminal prosecution, it's not really surprising that the existence of NHS guidance and the outcomes of court judgements can be denied to exist.

TENI should not be allowed near anything. That's appalling stuff. The guidance was changed last year after the NHS amended theirs, and now it's back to telling lies.

This will mostly hurt teenage girls and young women.

If only Ireland had had something happen recently (and many times before) that might have taught them a lesson about hurting teenage girls and women. Hmm. Hmmm.

The Irish College of General Practitioners along with TENI-Trans equality newtwork Ireland,

These groups have so much reach it’s demoralising. Every time it feels like we turn a corner, we find another professional organisation that should be neutral, but instead has a close relationship to a transactivist group.

That said, the recent reports on the Tavistock were perhaps unhelpful to the argument that puberty blockers themselves are harmful. The Tavistock (late to the party anyway) will be thrown to the wolves, bad management will be blamed, Polly Carmichael will be sacrificed and it will be argued that it’s not the whole branch of medicine to be blamed, but only one bad clinic, who weren’t being careful enough.

Psychoanalysis for internalised transpobia sounds pretty like conversion therapy to me.

Which strangely is what GC gay men and lesbians get accused of when they point out that in some cases internalised homophobia could be at play.
And GC people generally when it's pointed out that internalised views on sex role/ gender could be at play.

Hmmmm.

We really are into the realm of two separate realities going on.

Also the psychotherapy for internalised transphobia.
Whilst I'm not 100% certain what they mean by that but it rings massive alarm bells

Also horrifying, they claim that cross-sex hormones are partially reversible.

Without qualification, this is incorrect. We do not know if the effect of cross-sex hormones is reversible where the patient has first received puberty blockers.