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Women Who Abuse - File on 4 - 19 January 8pm - BBC Radio 4.

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stumbledin · 19/01/2021 17:36

Women Who Abuse
File on 4

Women are seen as the caring, nurturing sex, safe to be left in charge of children.

But stigma and stereotyping around female perpetrated abuse means it can be seen as a lesser crime, with many victims deeply reluctant to report their ordeal to the authorities.

Experts tell File on 4 that current case numbers are the ‘tip of the iceberg’, while the early indicators of abuse, like online grooming and social media befriending, can be brushed aside when the abuser is a woman.

File on 4 hears from adult survivors who describe decades of trauma and shame caused by their female abusers, as well as the difficulties they faced in reporting the crime.

Psychologists and campaigners say the criminal justice system urgently needs to better support victims to give evidence.

They describe how abusers are still able to take advantage of laws that leave children in informal settings, such as sports clubs and choirs, open to abuse, settings where female abusers can thrive.

And although societal perceptions of female child sexual abuse are changing, many deeply traumatised victims risk being left behind.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rcq5

See existing thread on BBC report rather than tonights programme www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4140339-BBC-female-sex-offenders-report

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Melroses · 20/01/2021 10:11

@JemimaTab

I understand that a woman (without penis) could in fact be charged with rape as an accessory if it can be shown that she assisted the man (with penis) in the commission of the offence. I don’t know how common that would be but I’m aware of a case in Chester which made the press a few years ago - both the man and the woman were acquitted in that particular case. So I guess the figures for rape would include charges of that type.
That covers about 2 of the nearly 300 cases.
Melroses · 20/01/2021 10:09

File on 4 hears from adult survivors who describe decades of trauma and shame caused by their female abusers

The people they talked to about their experiences were cases covering decades - about 20 years. The figures they quoted were from FOI covering 2014-2019

JemimaTab · 20/01/2021 04:38

I understand that a woman (without penis) could in fact be charged with rape as an accessory if it can be shown that she assisted the man (with penis) in the commission of the offence. I don’t know how common that would be but I’m aware of a case in Chester which made the press a few years ago - both the man and the woman were acquitted in that particular case. So I guess the figures for rape would include charges of that type.

GodOfPhwoar · 20/01/2021 04:30

@Melroses

Not decades. 2014 - 2019
From the OP...

File on 4 hears from adult survivors who describe decades of trauma and shame caused by their female abusers

Melroses · 20/01/2021 01:54

Not decades. 2014 - 2019

GodOfPhwoar · 20/01/2021 01:45

@stumbledin

No clarification on figures supplied of child abuse by women, whether any where trans women.
I think it's very unlikely if these cases are going back decades.
stumbledin · 19/01/2021 23:26

CaraDuneRedux - yes I gave that link in my OP. I just thought some would only listen to the programme on want to comment on how that was put together.

I dont think many listeners would for one moment think that there may be an issue about whether or not trans women are included in the numbers given.

With the onslaught of language now used erasing women we need to monitor not only what is being said, but how it is presented.

I know mumsnet is very good and going into a lot of detail on issues, but most people will be skim reading articles, or have the radio on in the back ground etc..

And much as it is nice to be able to share with those who have similar views if all that happens is we endlessly share the awfulness of it all but that doesn't translate into any counter action we will still be having the same or worse conversation in 10 or 20 years.

As it happened I got interrupted and didn't here all of the programme, but definitely thought it should be fact checked.

But also want to say I dont in any way want to ignore of gloss over those who have suffered abuse, and because of cliched perceptions about women, not feel they even have the right to call it abuse.

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CaraDuneRedux · 19/01/2021 21:37

And yes, I pointed out on that other thread that of those 382 rapes, every single one will have been committed by someone with a penis because that's the legal definition of rape in the UK (Scotland as well as England and Wales - many moons ago, I actually took the time to look up the Scottish legislation).

CaraDuneRedux · 19/01/2021 21:36

Longer thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4140339-BBC-female-sex-offenders-report

WinterIsGone · 19/01/2021 21:31

Perhaps this is a subject More or Less should cover?

Melroses · 19/01/2021 20:16
  • 382 rapes
Melroses · 19/01/2021 20:16

Figures include 382 - this is not questioned by the reporter.

stumbledin · 19/01/2021 20:12

Now they are talking about rapes, when as someone pointed out on another thread that rape is specifically a crime that can only be carried out by someone with a penis. ie a man.

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stumbledin · 19/01/2021 20:10

No clarification on figures supplied of child abuse by women, whether any where trans women.

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