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BBC - female sex offenders report

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UppityPuppity · 19/01/2021 09:27

Please help me understand my disquiet about this BBC report about female sex offenders. The reflections in the report of abuse inflicted by the mother on the daughter is heartbreaking. A cruel betrayal of trust.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55338745

The piece underlines the need to have accurate stats and language of sex of perpetrators/victims in the criminal justice system and crime reporting.

It also underlines to me how far the BBC has fallen in my estimation with their determined inability to provide clear reporting of the perpetrators male sex in so many other sexual offences contexts.

Instead of immediately thinking that this is an issue that needs to be raised - AND IT DOES these victims deserve support and justice - the BBC is so contaminated in my estimation, that my first thought was the BBC are yet again trying to push the narrative that merges male and femaleness as they do in so many other contexts. This reaction is unfair to the victims of female sex abusers who have my sympathy.

Is it their blatant hypocrisy? They are rightly clear on the sex of perpetrators in this article but not in so many contexts where they state blatant untruths and ignore the male sex of perpetrators. The BBC let down victims of female sex abusers and their distinct experiences, harms and needs, because they fail to report incidence of male sex abusers accurately.

Stats in report-

In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows

How do we know the sex - we don’t. As far as I can see - this is increased from previous stats - ONS figures show in 2015 only 1.34% of prisoners sentenced for child sexual abuse as the first main offence were women. The BBCs stats double this.

Is the increase due to different metrics being measured/ die to a greater understanding of the crime/greater reporting of the crime or more male sex offenders identifying as women?

The BBC obfuscation of facts are part of the problem - they have lost their credibility and actively let down victims like this in the report.

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PlantMam · 19/01/2021 22:31

In many cases there may not yet be a suspect to self-declare a gender and they will be recorded according to however the victim identifies them.

A person who has been RAPED (non -consensual penetration by a PENIS) is extremely unlikely to missex their attacker.

persistentwoman · 19/01/2021 22:26

Good to see FPFW are on the case. This distortion of facts needs calling out again and again.

jj1968 · 19/01/2021 22:20

[quote MerchedCymru]Fair Play for Women quick off the mark here. The BBC journalists could and should have checked this out before going ahead with this sensationalist nonsense. They have sunk so low.

fairplayforwomen.com/sex_data_wrong/?fbclid=IwAR27z2hvBPyLOPfrEOx6OH9uJ_XI3RIUT0xdjCJyTxAWr3ItfC4TvMH4e1Q[/quote]
That's complete nonsense.

Most significantly of all, we also know that the ‘sex’ disaggregated data held by the police doesn’t actually record what most people think it does. Police forces now record crimes based on self-declared gender and not birth sex.

These are reports of crimes not convictions or arrests. In many cases there may not yet be a suspect to self-declare a gender and they will be recorded according to however the victim identifies them.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 19/01/2021 22:03

Have they forgotten about the Rotherham case where investigators seemingly kept their heads in the sand out of fear of offending a group of people? So many similar alarm bells here.

OvaHere · 19/01/2021 21:31

This is really irresponsible reporting. The BBC wonder why trust in them is eroding. Stuff like this is why.

turnedthewatersintoblood · 19/01/2021 21:25

this is worth suggesting to the radio programme More or Less:
Send us an email now to [email protected]

WagnersFourthSymphony · 19/01/2021 21:24

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I really hope someone influential takes a proper look at this. Either there is a huge rise in women abusing, and if this is the case then it needs to be properly researched as to why. Or there is a huge rise in male offenders identifying as women.

At the moment no-one has any idea which is the case, and this whole shitshow beautifully illustrated the important of recording sex in data.

Or there is a huge rise in reporting. For some reason. Hmm No idea what that reason might be, but that possibility has to be considered...
Empressofthemundane · 19/01/2021 21:20

I’m really disturbed by the obfuscations. How do effectively push back against this madness?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/01/2021 21:18

I really hope someone influential takes a proper look at this. Either there is a huge rise in women abusing, and if this is the case then it needs to be properly researched as to why. Or there is a huge rise in male offenders identifying as women.

At the moment no-one has any idea which is the case, and this whole shitshow beautifully illustrated the important of recording sex in data.

MerchedCymru · 19/01/2021 21:17

Fair Play for Women quick off the mark here. The BBC journalists could and should have checked this out before going ahead with this sensationalist nonsense. They have sunk so low.

fairplayforwomen.com/sex_data_wrong/?fbclid=IwAR27z2hvBPyLOPfrEOx6OH9uJ_XI3RIUT0xdjCJyTxAWr3ItfC4TvMH4e1Q

Melroses · 19/01/2021 21:14

From a thread by FPFW:

There are only 125 sex offenders recorded as female. This means the ratio of women to transwomen in prison for sexual offences is around 3:2. That’s 38% of the ‘women’ in prison for sex offending actually being transwomen /10
If this same ratio applies to police reports of child sexual abuse then 900 of the 2297 recorded as perpetrated by ‘females’ may in fact be males who identify as women. This would be enough to account for almost all of the reported increase since 2015. /11

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1351636983639138304

UppityPuppity · 19/01/2021 21:10

But it would be appalling if these aberrations were used as an excuse to admit male bodied people to restricted spaces.

That’s exactly where this is leading to.

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UppityPuppity · 19/01/2021 21:09

CaraDuneRedux

including 382 rapes

Every single one of which was perpetrated by a person with a penis, because that's the legal definition of rape in the UK.

Yes worth repeating for the BBC who clearly has no understanding of research/journalism - rape in England and Wales is ‘penetration with a penis’.

I am a woman. I do not have a penis. I CANNOT rape. These are NOT our crimes.

To go to my earlier point upthread - How the hell does this conflation by the BBC help the victims of female sexual assault?

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Melroses · 19/01/2021 20:54

"True figures"
36 forces E&W (Scotland and NI said it would take too long to put together the figures)

10 400 reports
5400 victims aged 11-17
3800 victims aged under 11
some reports are multiple offences

A steady increase 1249 in 2015 up to 2297 in 2019 - 84% increase that the programme attributes to better reporting and growing awareness.

382 rapes, 2600 each for the most common crimes of sexual activity with a child and sexual assault.

Convictions 201898% guilty of abuse in 2918 male. 66 female.

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2021 20:47

This is bullshit.

CaraDuneRedux · 19/01/2021 20:44

including 382 rapes

Every single one of which was perpetrated by a person with a penis, because that's the legal definition of rape in the UK.

WagnersFourthSymphony · 19/01/2021 20:42

Can't speak to the statistics, and share reserved scepticism over this.

Nevertheless, have always been troubled by a conversation I overheard at the school gate where one mother was salivating to another about the prospect of helping supervise a foreign rugby trip. She was telling her friend how fit the boys were and how up for it. The oldest boy in the cohort was 13. What could or should I have said about it, and to whom? I was shocked, then convinced myself it was just a joke. And tbh I never heard of any problems from that trip - not that I'd have heard necessarily, as my son wasn't in that year.

Have just heard the File on 4 programme, which is very disturbing.

It doesn't help to minimise this or to say men are much worse. Which they unquestionably are. But it would be appalling if these aberrations were used as an excuse to admit male bodied people to restricted spaces.

Melroses · 19/01/2021 20:14

Figures show a range of activities including 382 rapes the most reported is sexual activity with a child.

Absolutely no questioning by the reporter of the rapes Confused

All the figures are from FOI to police forces and taken at face value.

Melroses · 19/01/2021 20:04

[quote nauticant]This is covered by File on 4 tonight:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rcq5[/quote]
On now - "the underreported problem of sexual abuse of children by women"

CharlieParley · 19/01/2021 19:15

@NewYearNewTwatName

I've just watched an interview on bbc news about this, it.was.awfulAngry

Interviewee was all on about "we have to dispel the misconception that its majority of males abusing children, and that women are normally safer people to be around, because as these figures from 2015-2019 prove, it's not"

no questioning as why there was an 84% jump! in any other situation jumps like that would definitely raise suspicion that somethings going on!

This is just stupid. The figures from 2015-2019 do indeed prove that "its majority of males abusing children" (because if women now make up 3.8% of offenders, men continue to make up the vast majority at 96.2%) and they also prove "that women are normally safer people to be around" as the figures once again confirm, the risk a woman poses to a child continues to be much lower than that posed by a man.

So it isn't a misconception that men commit the vast majority of sexual offences against children. And this BBC report once again confirms this fact.

And that's before we look into the possible reasons behind the rise, given that the figures have been stable for quite some time but that the police is now recording the sex of the offender based on either their actual sex, the officer's view of the offender's sex or the offender's self-identification.

And we know that many people believe that women are treated far more leniently by the law than men. Therefore, even to someone who doesn't identify as trans, or to someone who doesn't get off on getting one over on the man-hating feminists by having his crime recorded as female, there may be a perceived advantage in claiming to be a woman.

yourhairiswinterfire · 19/01/2021 19:11

With the police? The ONS?

Police would probably log us for a thoughtcrime for asking. (semi-joking).

This is absolutely deliberate, part of the plan to discredit women when we talk about male violence, so they can turn around and say 'well women are just as bad and you don't mind sharing spaces with them' like they did this morning. Appalling that the ''totally not bias, us'' BBC didn't even bother looking into why there is a sudden rise. (As if the don't know damn well why.)

It needs challenging urgently. This is the mess allowing the denial of reality creates-women being punished and blamed for the behaviour and crimes of men Angry

SetYourselfOnFire · 19/01/2021 19:00

Maybe I'm just paranoid but the piece came off deliberately disingenuous. I'm taking it as these are all transwomen, because for what other reason would there be a mysterious 84% spike in female sex offenders?

MerchedCymru · 19/01/2021 18:41

Good piece of research from Fair Play for Women on this. The BBC report must be based on these false stats - there aren't any others available. It's cobblers. And the bias ALWAYS favours men.

"In 2019 Fair Play For Women submitted a series of Freedom of Information requests to find out how the police record the sex of a suspect when a crime is reported.
We found police commonly record self-declared gender identity instead of birth sex; even when the crime is rape.
This means suspected and convicted rapists are recorded in official statistics as female if they no longer wish to identify with their male birth sex.
While some police forces said they record the fact if someone identifies as transgender, this information does not appear on government crime figures, which provides only male or female options. Transgender status is stated only if the person is a victim of transgender hate crime."

fairplayforwomen.com/police_record_males_as_female/?fbclid=IwAR3pcUgIVqz2QQjsNIWikoTJeGVZw4yJ1NBTw6J6EqPgyhcs4Zkh6j8MDN0

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/01/2021 18:25

Exactly how is it possible for the number of female-perpetrated crimes to have gone up 84

Female numbers of very low. If in one year there is 1 offender then 2 in the next year that is a 100% increase. It is very easy for female crime numbers to be skewed as they are very low numbers compared to men. Just a few self-IDing men could change the numbers quite dramatically.

mindtheclegs · 19/01/2021 18:18

[quote nauticant]Just a hunch, but the person providing a quote within this - and the org they work for - might be quite comfortable when it comes to conflating sex and gender. www.survivorsuk.org/about-us/meet-the-team/ .

Have a look at that and Mermaids trustees:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/staff-and-trustees/[/quote]
And they say trans ideology isn't a male rights movement...

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