BBC - female sex offenders report

Not read the whole thread sorry

Thoughts are, and disjointed.

Yes women can and do sexually abuse. The nuns in the Magdalene laundries and other similar institutions did so. The difference seems to me that they weren't doing it for personal sexual gratification (?) but as torture.

Most women convicted of sex offences have acted as a second to a man.

MRA have long been saying women are as bad as men but don't get reported.

Stats on gender rather than sex make a mess of the stats. See a couple years ago shock headlines women sex offences up xxx%. Rape up massively. You can be female and convicted as accomplice but it's rare. Safe to say the numbers included trans women ( rape in UK law requires a penis).

So.

If there is an under-reported amount of sex abuse committed by women. Then we need to know. It's your mum. Who reports their mum? Also the cases with teen boys and female teachers. This stuff happens. It may well be under reported, as male on male abuse is.

I don't know.

Certainly my life experience tells me that men do this. But sexual abuse by women is I think not sexually motivated, but sadistic.

Who knows. And the point is we will never know if we don't know the sex of the perpetrator or the victim. I mean that's fucking obvious.

The police forces have been recording self declared gender for years without any records as to when or why.

If people care about sex offences, under reporting, children etc. Then accurate records are key.

That's not what's wanted. So.

Well they are arseholes tbh. Who wants to muddy the stats on child sexual abuse?

I do of course understand the issue, but it does seem to me that some people use it as a diversionary tactic - makes women look bad so 'must've actually been a man pretending to be a woman.

Is there anything that people won't turn into a trans debate? 😂

And no they haven't asked about anything to do with what they mean by the word "woman", so it could be different for each of the 36 replies they had. The question above is all they broadcast.

They reference 382 rapes carried out by women, but rape cannot be carried out by women. They give no explanation or background detail for this. They do not explain if those figures include male born perpetrators. They do not say if they've asked the forces if they're recording this according to self ID. Women cannot be convicted of rape in the uk because it involves penetration with a penis (by law). They can be convicted under joint enterprise and there are two cases in the UK that I can find between 2001 and now. So what's going on here and why aren't the journalists answering these questions for us in their journalism?

That part is from 07.20

Melroses forgive me, but the excerpt I've listened to there is extremely serious, but it doesn't refer to rape, it also says that it could be due to better reporting but doesn't suggest they've even asked about whether sex = gender identity for some forces?

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rcq5 at 04.48

"How many reports of sexual offences were by women"

Did they ask if they had recorded sex? (Rather than self id'd gender)

The figures in the BBC programme came from Freedom of Information Request returned from 36 forces in England and Wales.

People are talking about different sources of statistics; the ONS collates data from a number of sources including victim surveys. It does not only report data provided by prosecutions.

The legal definition of rape is penetration with a penis.

There's definitely a news story here that is worthy of a programme as well respected as File on Four, but it's not that women are committing more rape.

Would be mad if we’d gone from 2 ‘joint enterprise accessory to rape convictions in 2 decades’ to ‘400 women rapists’ without anyone noticing.
Especially as all 400 women would be convicted alongside their male accomplices - rapist couples are usually big news, so I’m pretty sure we’d have spotted 400 of them.

jj "rape" cannot be committed by women. Do you care about the truth?

Three women produced the BBC Radio Four File on Four report. Not one of them thought to check the legal definition of rape? Is that right? How else could they have attributed nearly 400 rapes to women?

Fucking hell jj, just write "I hate all women" and have done with it.

Women can be convicted of rape under joint enterprise laws. Additionally often when 'rape'' figures are quoted it often refers to 'rape or equivalent offence'

I can find copy on only two cases in the last two decades in which a woman has been convicted under joint enterprise. Perhaps you could furnish us with further statistics jj if you expect us to believe that this in anyway proves that women are as dangerous in this respect as men (not even close)? Rape is committed by a person with a penis. Only males have penises. We know the truth because of lived experience as well as statistics.

What is hard to stomach is that women have been warning about this for years and now we see it happening and blithely carried out by the BBC ffs, like some kind of sick joke.

Female people can ONLY be convicted of rape as an accessory under joint enterprise principles, so again...

it seems extremely unlikely that when a victim reports the crime of rape they would missex the person who penetrated them with they penis.

The victim may well describe the rapist as being assisted/encouraged by a female accomplice. but actually going into a police station or a rape crisis centre and reporting an unnamed person for the crime of ‘rape by accessory under joint enterprise principles’?

Well, that is something that truly never happens...

unless the victim maybe works for CPS? 🙄

You can view the data here: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/childsexualabuseappendixtables

The category Rape refers to rape or assault by penetration.

Do I see some straw clutching going on here?

Joint enterprise is incredibly rare, and in this instance no co-defendants are mentioned.

Good point PlantMam
This rapist was referred to as female throughout their trial for rape - presumably the victim was coerced to refer to them as she judging by this report:
www.cambstimes.co.uk/news/crime/transgender-rapist-jailed-6910204

Women can be convicted of rape under joint enterprise laws. Additionally often when 'rape'' figures are quoted it often refers to 'rape or equivalent offence' such as assault by penetration.