Wednesday: The End of Sport for American Girls

And it will be impossible to prove the prevalence of offending is different because they'll be recorded as "women's crimes."

Since when did rapists have any say in where they serve their sentence? Who the fuck thought that was up for debate?

The current director of the NHS Gender Identity Clinic i.e. the head of so-called "gatekeeping" was one of the proponents.
Reassuring, isn't it?

Can you clarify? I don't think there is a prison in York. And I'm not sure which case you're referring to - if it's Karen White, he was placed in New Hall in Wakefield. He was indeed a rapist but he didn't rape four female inmates, he sexually assaulted two of them

The case I was thinking of was indeed Karen White - and he assaulted 4 women.

Sadly, as I went to check, and typed in to Google "trans rapes woman in prison" multiple cases came up. What morons are allowing these intact males into women's prisons? I mean, it's fucking madness. It's like the wellbeing of a female inmate matters far less than what the male rapist wants and feelz. Since when did rapists have any say in where they serve their sentence? Who the fuck thought that was up for debate?

On top of that, many men do not want to see feminine men in their sports and are more than happy to lump them in with women.
This is what we're up against. Same old sexism and bigotry disguised as compassion.

I do completely agree with the general points people are making - we've seen women sexually assaulted in mixed-sex prisons and changing rooms, we've seen male-bodied people injure women in sport and win prizes in women-only competitions. If those things don't cause outrage among the general public, what will?

The trans "woman" who was imprisoned for rape (fully functioning penis), was placed in York prison, with female inmates. He raped 4 of them.

Can you clarify? I don't think there is a prison in York. And I'm not sure which case you're referring to - if it's Karen White, he was placed in New Hall in Wakefield. He was indeed a rapist but he didn't rape four female inmates, he sexually assaulted two of them.

We already know the answer to 'how many women have to suffer rapes, assaults, harassment, injury or death before male people are willing to admit there is a problem' is always n+1.

It's terrifying, isn't it? We're seriously talking about women who will have to be seriously and publicly injured and die for there to be any hope of anyone caring about this. Male choice and happiness is worth more than the physical life of females.

I never thought I would live in a time of such profound, gleeful, overt sexism. Or that those being subjugated by an accident of birth that put them into the lifelong worth less, matters less category, would be told at the same time by those enforcing it that they may not say sex exists.

Sport is not going to be the issue, it's going to be access to women's changing rooms and sadly the first assault or worse by someone who was born a man (and not had gender reassignment surgery) that will get the issue noticed

The trans "woman" who was imprisoned for rape (fully functioning penis), was placed in York prison, with female inmates. He raped 4 of them. You don't see this plastered all over the news though. You have to wonder why, because that's a monumental fuck up that's been made by someone very powerful. Heads should roll.

• Do they genuinely have that option?

• and what are the consequences if they exercise it?

(sorry - don’t know how the US works in that respect)*

It has to do with federal funding for schools. The “guidance on Title IX” means that the government can pull the per student funding they provide if they find you are violating civil rights law in the way they interpret. If “rigorously enforced” it could bankrupt a school, even some private/charter schools accept federal pell grants. The guidance is, however, a mess if you actually read it, and self contradictory. It’s like a Rorschach test for gender, you can read into it almost anything you want.

Interestingly title IX is also being used by the female runners in the CT case - they are being denied equal access to sport by virtue of sex by being forced to run against male runners.

It will be up to courts to decide what sex and gender are. The Feminist Amendments to the equality act are a great place to start to look at how gender based protections should be done in a legally comprehensible way.

I'm not into sports, but I've been so angry about this.

Trans women have loads of advantages, even if they have had gender reassignment. They are taller, faster, stronger, have a longer reach, etc. Not many women could win against them, and yes, female sport as we know it will cease to exist.

People are too scared to address this now, for fear of being labelled a bigot, but the day will come when the world has to have a re-think. DH reckons it will be a high profile female boxer being killed in the ring by a trans opponent.

What strikes me about all this as well, is what on earth is going on in the minds of trans athletes when they win? Do they really go home thinking they are the Champion? Is there no self reflection at all, or any feeling that maybe they cheated? No awareness, that if they had competed against men, they wouldn't even be in the top 1000 in their sport? Are these people that self indulgent?

I can't imagine running in a race against 5 year olds, winning and then really thinking that I had won fair and square.

Meet June Eastwood. For some reason (I just cannot figure out how???) they make running look easy. I fear for girl's/women's sports in the USA, the Democrats are fully signed up to this lunacy.

Sport is not going to be the issue, it's going to be access to women's changing rooms and sadly the first assault or worse by someone who was born a man (and not had gender reassignment surgery) that will get the issue noticed.

And a 'doesn't it suck that I got born with the biology that means I have to endure sexist crap like this constantly while not being allowed to talk about it' mode.

And a 'you used to notice and care about this kind of thing, isn't it odd you've stopped' mode.

I have many interesting modes too. I'm pan mode.

I think we are inevitably going to see now exactly what we predicted form the start: the exclusion and disenfranchising of women from sport. And everything else.

Yes it's beyond depressing. However it may eventually result in enough women getting angry enough to wake up, stop being so bloody thick and standing up for their rights and those of the rest of half the human race. I suspect too that male winners dominating female sporting events are going to find the watching crowd a bit less enthusiastic than they would like; its going to become like what they've done to the word 'inclusion'. No one likes to actually say anything, but a lot of eye rolling happens because they know what is going on.

Sorry, have just listened to Eddie Izzard talking about 'girl mode' and how he will be acting in boy mode. So depressing.

Since he seems to think I need to know about this, I feel he needs to know that I shall be watching him acting in a 'pissed off with all this' mode.

Sweet Christmas! I’ve just googled Gabrielle Ludwig - I have no words. How are people so blind about this issue?!?

Do you remember the American Fottballer who took the knee a while ago?

And he was pilloried and had not much support. Now sportsmen across the world take the knee re: Black people's Rights (Very simplistic explanation)

Great Thundberg was a very lone figure outside her school. A year later....hundreds, and then thousands of young people took to boycotting school for the day...then on to the streets.

Do you remember the two black male Olympic winners? Heads down. Fists up. (Shoes off if I remember correctly?)

Girls. Young women. Women and their male allies are going to have to have a physical symbol of protest going forward. A recognisable stance when peacefully protesting outside womens prisons that house males ie Highdown or when men in womens teams steal medals in the Olympics.

So far I can only think of the simple head down, fist raised and booing for sports arenas/Olympics.

Any other suggestions?

I fear that by the time it reaches the Olympics, any TW athletes will be referred to everywhere as women, their wins will be reported as triumphs for women and any dissent or even discussion will be well and truly stamped on.

I think the only way this won't happen is if you have unscrupulous countries fielding women's Olympic teams who were literally on the men's team four years prior. To be honest this seems like an obvious loophole for hyper competitive countries like Russia/China who have histories of doping. If this happens I suspect the US might have something to say about it.

The most egregious example of this was 50 something basketball player Gabriella Ludwig who took up a sports scholarship that could have gone to a talented young woman - despite Ludwig having already benefitted from such a scholarship as a young male back in Ludwig's 20s.

I fear that by the time it reaches the Olympics, any TW athletes will be referred to everywhere as women, their wins will be reported as triumphs for women and any dissent or even discussion will be well and truly stamped on.

I should probably stop posting on this thread as I'm quite despondent about it today.

Are sports scholarships for university big in America? If so, that’ll piss some parents off - on both sides of the argument!!

Oh shit.