Transgender footy star sues AFL

It's really good in drawing attention to the issue.
I've read a good few comment sections on FB and Insta on this, and the vast majority agree that HM should never have been let to play with women in the first place.
Also, people are starting to clock on that "transwoman" doesn't mean "had their cock and balls removed" (this was one of the things I noticed when World Rugby came out with the new guidelines, a lot of male rugby fans had this opinion "oh well if someone goes to such great lengths and even had their penis chopped off, let them play").
I think it's brilliant that HM opens people's eyes to what the real meaning of "transwoman" is.

I’m wondering why HM has such a problem with proving that they can indeed fit in a woman’s sport as any other woman.
You know because they have very similar biological features to a woman, including testosterone levels, but I would also include muscle mass ratio etc....
I mean HM IS a woman no? So it really shouldn’t be an issue at all for them to show this is the case?

Does Hannah still have a penis then?

Let’s take a fictional boxing match as an example...

Barry McGuigan v Henry Cooper (ok, ok, I’m old!)
Both natal males.
Both professional boxers.
Both deemed fit to box.

Would the WBA sanction the fight?
Why not?

What’s the difference with HM and AFL?

How have we come to this - where safety & fairness in sport is compromised by the ‘feelz’.

Someone mentioned optics

images.app.goo.gl/qokb5VNADLdtEX1t6

@Greencoatblue

Two categories of sport, one called open, any sex can participate, and the other female, in which only female sex people can compete. Anyone not wishing to have their sex determined can only play in the open category. Problem solved

Women who take testosterone would normally fall foul of anti-doping rules. However, the same rules do not apply if a female is taking or has been taking testosterone as part of gender transition.

Attention needs to be given to ensuring that trans men are not able to compete in women’s sports when other women would be excluded due to the effects of the same level of testosterone doping.

I very much hope that this case receives a lot of media attention in both Australia and further afield.

Hannah - the gift that keeps on giving. Go Hannah!

@Greencoatblue

Two categories of sport, one called open, any sex can participate, and the other female, in which only female sex people can compete. Anyone not wishing to have their sex determined can only play in the open category. Problem solved

That'd get my vote!

Two categories of sport, one called open, any sex can participate, and the other female, in which only female sex people can compete. Anyone not wishing to have their sex determined can only play in the open category. Problem solved

I showed this article to DH, his reaction was that the people in authority should just say WTF! Of course this person shouldn't be playing with/against women. If more men were shown this kind of ridiculous stuff, perhaps there would be a sea of change. If it wasn't so terrifying it would be comical.

However sport England are starting to show signs of what I’d call “oh shit this could look bad” syndrome which is very different from their previous beeeee kiinnddd stance

www.sportengland.org/corporate-information/equality-and-diversity/transgender-inclusion-grassroots-sport-and-physical

as an avid AFL fan, let her mix it up with the blokes, she wont last a full quarter.
the AFL has deep pockets and big backers, this suing crap wont get far

There was NO outrage here when she was denied playing senior AFLW, most AFL fans hear her name and ignore it

I believe women's rugby in S Wales has been haemorrhaging referees since the arrival of a transwomen who according to the BBC "folds opponents like deckchairs.". Referees carry the ultimate responsibility for player safety on the pitch and many are simply deciding player safety can't be guaranteed in the circumstances.

Another one tempted (not really) to join team Hannah. The comments under that article exemplify how this is the issue that unites everyone in understanding how women's rights are being removed. Hannah's demands to share changing rooms and showers with unwilling women merely add to the sense of incredulity.

Such a shame 'TRAs' spend their time on nonsense like this instead of creating real opportunities for Trans people to do sports. Team sports would be harder, but they could have their own cycling league, or running, or skiing... Surfing.
Swimming.

Love it that the photos' captions ensure we know who they're talking about by indicating (Left) or (Right) in the photo...

What would happen if the women on a team refused to play against another team that had a player like this?

Yes, they'd be called horrible names on Twitter etc. But apart from that?

Anyone?

There comes a point where this moves past looking like a total lack of awareness of the issues for female people in this situation, an alarming lack of empathy or basic social reciprocation skills, or merely viewing female humans as props in the lives of more important humans, (which is bad enough,). It becomes extreme to the point you start to wonder, is the desire here to see female people actively subjugate themselves, be seen enduring the humiliation and overturning of their consent in sharing a changing room in the presence of the one who has more power and influence, and present themselves for the risk of injury? Is there a seeking to meet some need by seeing women do this for them?

Excellent questions Michelle

We could start a cheerleading group.

I’m almost tempted to campaign on their behalf. It will do that thing we’re not allowed to mention here

Hannah is very clear that Hannah has had no surgery of any kind, takes no medication and is attracted to chicks. In the video Hannah was offended at the suggestion otherwise. Go Hannah!