Transgender footy star sues AFL

Interesting the comparison with women with higeher thsn average testosterone levels caused by genetic condictions such as PCOS who have faced anti doping cases snd been told to take medication or banned. I am thinking of the Modahl case. Especially when you consider that with PCOS the other effects of the condition :insulin resistance, hyperinsulimia, resulting obesity: inflammation: metabolic syndrome are hardly performance enhancing

[quote ArabellaScott]Documentary here.

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Documentary here.

Those pictures! Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
Only a matter of time before HM causes irreparable damage to a woman thanks to HM's overinflated and dangerous ego. It would be serious, intentional assault in any other situation.

On the other hand, I must thank HM for illustrating the point so perfectly. It's fucking deranged.

For every man on a female team, a woman is robbed of yet another opportunity and I am absolutely sick of it.

World Rugby has stopped transwomen playing at international level, after an exhaustive scientific examination of all the available evidence.

All (as far as I can see) the national bodies have then said "screw you, we want to beee kind so we're going to let biological males play rugby with women at all levels below international level." Despite the scientific evidence. Despite knowing that women are more at risk of brain damage from concussion than men.

Bastards.

Women might as well not bother with elite sports if this carries on. It's not safe.

Ross Tucker (who led the team who reviewed the existing literature for World Rugby) is very good on this. This thread is a good starter:
twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/1333017543745953792

The bottom line is:
(a) you have to decide on either inclusion until evidence of harm is demonstrated, or exclusion until evidence of no harm is demonstrated. This choice is a philosophical/political one, but it's interesting to ponder why almost all sporting bodies have gone for the first of these options;

and (b) the existing literature (barring Joanna Harper's study of 8 amateurs self-reporting their times, with no controls) shows that on just about every measure you look at, reducing androgen levels reduces performance by a bit relative to other males, but does not reduce it to anything even close to the female range.

These are quite informative, too.

(Mouncey is in the yellow shirt.)

Ie - to spell it out as I've just checked the guidance and I think it is allowed - HM must not have had surgery (as otherwise they would have female levels of testosterone) but is nevertheless demanding access to female changing.

I have an acquaintance who has had full surgery and I still wouldn't compete against her and she thinks she would still be at an advantage

Yes. The advantages of male physiology and male puberty do not disappear with a reduction in testosterone levels. There will still be longer limbs, bigger lungs etc. Testosterone is not the only difference between male and female anatomy.

I was just saying that there are certain conclusions that can be drawn from HM's high testosterone levels, and that puts an interesting slant on their demands to share changing facilities with female players.

Tired your comment My understanding is that after an orchiectomy (ie surgery to remove testicles) testosterone should naturally be in or below the female range.

I have an acquaintance who has had full surgery and I still wouldn't compete against her and she thinks she would still be at an advantage

Is there a picture anywhere of HM stood with other players in a lineup? Not in a running/crouch pose.

Did it not just boil down to Mouncey being pissed about not being allowed to change and shower with the females on the team?

Senator Claire Chandler is a true feminist and champion of women and girls. It is not feminism to look the other way while fairness in women's sport and the safety of women & girls in sporting competition is undermined:

"The suggestion that women and girls playing community football aren’t entitled to fair competition because the AFL wants to appear ‘inclusive’ is insulting, elitist and dangerous. The right to play sport against people of your own sex is not supposed to be a privilege granted only to elite athletes.
Providing fair and safe competition for females is the purpose of women’s sport. The AFL and many other major sports in Australia are undermining that opportunity by allowing biological males into women’s sport."

Big can be beautiful, Mole - where's your commitment to body positivity gone?

Is this the 6ft2 220lb HM?

Senator Claire Chandler has written to the AFL about this case. Senator Chandler has been an absolute star on this subject.

senatorchandler.com.au/afl-gender-policies-unfair-and-unsafe-for-female-players/?fbclid=IwAR0BhJreyJveNuncf0Ru1VpjIPdpo0mG47UC7Eweslg22e-0hlCjmNIWtEQ

Given that pretty much every UK sports body has been stone walled I suspect suspension plus immediate “re education” for the team..

I think that would be an outrageous treatment to mete out to people who would be just trying to protect themselves from injury.

Let's hope that the referees disappearing makes the difference...

Thanks Mole. Lots of “gender” at the start of the video but good clips!

HM appears in this mini-documentary, along with some of the other usual suspects, uploaded a year ago. Handy compilation:

”Transgender athletes are DESTROYING women’s sports”

My understanding is that after an orchiectomy (ie surgery to remove testicles) testosterone should naturally be in or below the female range.
transcare.ucsf.edu/orchiectomy

So it's interesting that someone with high testosterone levels would be requesting to share changing facilities.