Shiloh Jolie-Pitt: always a girl, doing her own thing.

I have aspirations to rule Europe.

Don't impose restrictions on yourself, @MrsAvocet please.

;)

I often wonder what my parents would be being told if I were a child now. I went through a fairly long phase of refusing to answer to anything except Casey Jones and wearing dungarees and checked shirts. Later on I got interested in war gaming with my brother and decided to be Napolean for a while. Add to that the fact that I rode a "boys" bike and was top of the class in maths and science.....what more evidence could you need.
I'm pleased to report that I no longer identify as a dead 19th century American train driver or have aspirations to rule Europe, but I do have a successful career in a STEM field.Then I was a tomboy, and a bit quirky. Now, who knows?
I'm not a huge fan of the Jolie-Pitts but it looks like they have done a good job here, both for their own daughter and potentially lots of others too. But the media should back off and let Shiloh wear whatever she wants, whenever she wants withiut all this speculation.

Shiloh seems to have been left well alone to just be herself which is heartwarming. I wonder if she had an awareness of the likelihood of the really intense, disturbing levels of interest in her physical development that could be heading her way, as a daughter of Pitt & Jolie - there's some powerhouse genes in there in terms of physical attractiveness, I bet there's a lot of gross men (and tabloid editors) waiting for her to be "all grown up". I'd want to hide from all that too. Who wouldn't.

I still have short hair and rarely wear dresses. But thoroughly hetero. And feminist. Thank heavens no-one tried to weaponise my tomboy-ness for their own agenda when I was young and just trying to figure my way through the world.

It is depressing that girls wearing jeans, t shirts, jumpers and being fearless/active/etc are seen as "tomboys" and not just simply girls being themselves.

I went through a brief phase of wearing dresses one summer, but no one really wore skirts or dresses growing up in the 80s. Too hard to play out in and Too cold most of the time.

I did,desperately, want to be like George in the f5 for a while. I remember being in tears error my dad explained why cutting all my hair off might be something i regretted. Being a girl was just a bit shit. Especially a giant, non feminine one who struggled to maintain friendships with the girls at school and didn't really get the unwritten rules. I also spent much of my early teens terrified that I wasn't a proper girl, as my periods were late to start. Growing up is confusing.

My friend had a twin brother and was called a tomboy. She was totally fearless. But it's sad that that's seen as a male trait.

She seems great, lovely to be able to play with clothes as a child should be!

Angelina Jolie made some very sensible comments in the past about not labelling and not making any assumptions or comments, based on what their children wanted to wear or express themselves as. Even being happy to use a masculine nickname (John) whilst not taking that as a sign that their child was now literally male.

Jolie & Pitt seem to have been able to give Shiloh her own space to be as she wanted, without judgement or assumption. What I've seen from media images of Shiloh is that she has gone through a very typical development process during puberty and is now emerging as a more complex and fully formed adult.

I doubt that it will make much difference to the media dialogue about sex and gender. There are plenty of other celebs who are happy to socially transition their young children if any gender non-conforming behaviour is shown.

She was just a tomboy. As previous posters said.. this used to be allowed. Now we are so deep in gender roles that girls can’t do anything expect wear pink or play dolls lest she be a boy.

Wasn’t sure it was worth starting its own thread for so bumping this one, but the DM has noticed Shiloh was wearing a dress at an event over the weekend. Her parents seem to be an object lesson of the power of letting children be children. Will it give some people pause for thought do you think?

She's AFAIK a long-time poster who is never afraid to be a voice of dissent.

I think that if she was a man pretending to be a woman, she'd take a very different tone.

Is @MissBarbary a man who hates women? That's the only take I come away with from their posts. That they loathe women and any type of feminism or women's rights.

I do wonder if Charlize Theron has ever regretted pushing her daughter* this way - since the age of 3, no less.

My DD perfectly fits the stereotype as did my mother. Played with boys toys, went on to be an engineer. Is definitely a women though. Comes from a long line of engineers and artists

Well, Missbarbary you certainly sound a bit ruffled, fill yer boots, no one here will tell you there's no debate or to stfu

Count Phoebe Waller-Bridge as another 'wanted to be a boy as a child': www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9108030/fleabag-phoebe-waller-bridge-transgender/

It's completely normal. That it has been used to further an extreme ideology that involves irreversible surgeries and experimental drug treatments on children is horrific.

DD 22 has only ever worn and only wears to this day men's clothes, underwear outwards.

She says she just likes them better and she feels far more comfortable in them.

She's a lady, is still a lady always wants to be lady. She's gay but that has nothing to do with her wanting to wear boys clothes when she was younger and men's clothes now.

Also I think there's another thing going here. As a "tomboy" or a girl who is seen as choosing "masculine" options, you may be simply objecting to the narrow and restrictive expectations put on girls. You might not deliberately "choose" masculinity as such - you're just opting out of what you don't like about the perceived feminine options.

I've seen several female detransitioners saying they didn't actually want to be a boy if they really thought about it - they just felt they didn't fit in as a girl, or didn't want to be a girl with all that entailed culturally. One said when she discovered radical feminists who pointed out she could be any kind of girl she liked, she realised she was fine as a girl. (It's tragic IMO that all kids aren't made aware of this anyway of course.)

It’s ridiculous. Kids can’t be kids nowadays.

My 5 year old knows there is no such things as boys toys and girls toys and they are all just simply toys.... adults can learn a lot from her!

Just because a girl dresses like how a boy normally looks and wants to be called John doesn’t mean she is no longer a girl!

The fact you can be just say ok, on Wednesdays and saturdays I’m a boy and fridays and Monday’s a girl- is just stupid!

The Pitt’s have got this exactly right and more people should look up to how they have handled the situation!

I was querying the ridiculous assumption that wearing masculine clothes equals being a female engineer.

Oh dear! Did you mean to expose your lack of reading comprehension skills so badly?

Sad.

HerselfIndoors Thanks for the feministplaining lecture by the way. You clearly however entirely missed the point as well as inventing things I never said.

OK MissB my genuine apologies for misunderstanding you. But again, instead of just attacking, could you spell put what your position is - because you said:

You can't see it. You (general you) gender critical feminists

So that strongly suggests you disagree with GC feminism, yet your point suggest you do agree with it.

Also we're on Feminism chat. it's wall-to-wall feministsplaining around here.

Regarding toys, civilisations can be judged on their engineering and technological ability by looking at the toys they had.

Which has implications if toys are "gendered."

My youngest DD dressed as Spider-Man and Ben 10 for months and months and refused to answer if she wasn't referred to as Ben or Spider-Man. It doesn't mean she was trans. She just likes superheroes!