Questions on Biological Data wiped from official data - Times article

The fact that it would be way more useful to collect both sex and gender

And yet that is never what's proposed

Really is telling.

Unbelievable coming from the man who wrote “without good quality data, you’re not going to get good evidence based decisions; without public engagement and choice you’re not going to be able to be able to improve lives with that data”

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This is so bloody worrying. Isnt the Tories’ latest idea to sort out equality issues, to do it by first looking at the data?

Betsy - do you know if you can provide feedback f you are not resident in Scotland too?

Don't see why not, it's never bothered the Scottish Govt before. And you're just emailing them, so unless you declare your residency status it's unlikely to be even considered.

The underlying statistical principles eh?

Betsy - do you know if you can provide feedback f you are not resident in Scotland too?

I would be utterly embarrassed to be associated with this is if I was the lead statistician.

Wasn’t there a push back against this by other statisticians?

How to submit your thoughts:

We would like to hear your views on the draft Guidance, and the proposed key messages and recommended questions we have set out to support public bodies to collect, disaggregate and use data on sex and gender.

This topic covers a wide range of complex issues and we appreciate there is a lot to consider. It would be helpful for you to focus on data issues in your response.

In particular we welcome your views on:

• The underlying statistical principles that the draft guidance is based upon.
• An approach to data collection that starts with an organisation considering what its data needs are
• The proposed recommend questions
• The messages around intersectionality, harmonisation and presenting data on non-binary groups
• Scope of the 'data on sex and gender key questions’ checklist .

We would encourage you to respond to any or all of those parts where you feel you have a contribution to make. We welcome your thoughts on the potential impacts, both positive and potentially negative, of any of the points in the draft guidance.

We are inviting feedback on the draft guidance by 12 February 2021.

Please share your feedback on the draft guidance by email to:
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We look forward to hearing from you.
Please indicate how you wish your response to be handled and, in particular, whether you are content for your response to published. If you ask for your response not to be published, we will regard it as confidential, and we will treat it accordingly.
Feedback on the draft guidance may be shared with members of the Sex and Gender in Data Working Group order to help inform the next phase of work to develop the final guidance.

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MBM have a briefing note that might help:
mbmpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2021/01/invisible-women.-mbm-briefing-note-on-draft-guidance-on-collecting-data-on-sex-and-gender-january-2021.pdf

And I'm sure For Women Scotland will have more info in their next newsletter.

Organisational capture is strong. Its prolific everywhere that we should include gender identity. No one wants to question it, especially if organisations like the NHS do this, after all where is biological sex more important than when you are treating a health condition/emergency or administering medication or carrying out an xray? It should be sex male or female and then an option to note if your identity differs to your sex, that is inclusive!

I suppose in some cases sex really is unimportant?

I'd like to see a breakdown of what purposes stats are collected for, it would be quite useful to see which cases are going to have an impact on Equalities and discrimination etc.

I quite like it with the extra 'o's. Reading it aloud is fun.

If there's no biological sex, then trans everything disappears too. You can't change something that doesn't exist in the first place.

An accompanying Scottish government summary said that “in most cases data should be collected on the basis of gender identity rather than sex”.

Virtue signalling idiocy. Although of course their get out of jail free card is the sneaky phrase 'in most cases'.

This is horrifying. It’s like someone read the book ‘Invisible Women’ and thought, nah I’ll show you how to really make women invisible!

An accompanying Scottish government summary said that “in most cases data should be collected on the basis of gender identity rather than sex”.

How does that fulfil Public Sector Equality Duty, as per the EA 2010? How can they report accurately on the protected characteristics of sex, sexual orientation and gender reassignment?

They need to have the option "none"

I think that the only answer I could tick in good conscience would be “prefer not to say” if that option is available and I can’t skip the question.

I really object to being forced to choose a gender identity when I don’t believe in the concept at all. Picking non binary would feel too much like showing support for gender ideology.

I mentioned on another thread that the online consent form for the school covid test required me to declare gender for my 12 year old. A choice of 3 options female, male or non-binary. The imposition of gender ideology is just incredible. This has to be the most powerful, well funded and supported-by-the-powers-that-be oppressed tiny minority ever.

I wonder if it bears any resemblance to when Christianity replaced the Old Gods and Goddesses in the Roman Empire.

There should be fewer 'o's in that last word.

I think in all seriousness if enough people start to identify as non-binary, which as far as I can see is utterly meaningless, it might illustrate clearly the problems with this nonsense ideologoy.

This stuff really needs to be seen as along the same lines as self harm /self destruction etc

Like it it or not trans people still have a biological sex thaT sex will result in the same medical/social/mental etc services as everyone else.

If statistics are inaccurate services cant be tailored appropriately and they will hurt and affect trans people just as much as it hurts everyone else.

I dont whether to laugh or cry that people who are in charge of running a country would take this ludicrous advice on board

E.g. How will NHS Scotland plan for

• the likely number of number of pregnancies and therefore how much money to invest in maternity service
• likely number of prostate cancer patients and how to allocate resource
• likely number of cervical and uterine cancers and other illnesses and how to allocate spending

I'm utterly baffled as to how someone as intelligent enough to hold the position this person does can not see the consequences of not recording biological sex

What is the purpose of collecting data on gender identity?

They argue that sex is irrelevant, I disagree but leaving that aside, if sex is irrelevant what makes gender identity relevant?

Will they also ask for

Sun sign, Moon sign and Rising sign

MBTI type

Aesthetic (dark academia, light academia, cottage core etc)

Hogwarts House (or maybe this last has fallen out of fashion?)

The above are all as relevant as gender identity surely?

Reincarnated angel here.

What forecast services might I need in my community over the next decade to allow financial planning on the part of my local authority?

How will my identity likely impact on the number of needed preschool places? Health visitors? School places? Prostate cancer screening? Maternity beds?

Are there any grown ups left anywhere?