Trans swimmer

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone_regulations_in_women%27s_athletics

RIP elite women’s sport.

This makes me so angry. So bloody blatantly clear the physical differences. Why are more people not shouting about this very clear cheating. Oh yes, its only women losing out.

More people are wise to it so maybe there will be more boos / audience turning their backs...

Has anything changed since Rio? Could this happen at the next Olympics?

Funny how girls gymnastics now do concede that shorts are a good idea - for some.

Only 3 of the runners in that 800m race at Rio opted for shorts, rather than running knickers...

Such a lack of the concept of fairness too.

Yes, and if I recall correctly, the 'loser' who complained was villified. These competitors all have vsd of course, as opposed to self-ID, but even so what seemed apparent to the standard eyeball wasn't enough to create the outrage you would expect. At this point I'm not sure what would, as we already have had respected sports journalists (looking at you, Liew in the Independent) arguing that it is better for otherwiseknownasmen to see other otherwiseknownasmen on the women's podium than for women and girls to see other women and girls; empowering and kind, innit?

If you look up the 3 winners on Wikipedia, they are ALL intersex with XY chromosomes and testosterone. No coincidence perhaps.

Bloody Hell that race video is shocking.
It’s just so blatant who has been a woman from birth and who hasn’t, totally different body shapes

Thank you for the link Cailleach - I've just watched that race (for the first time as I'm not normally interested in sport) and I am fucking annoyed.

Bring on the next Olympics for more sunlight. It can't come soon enough.

This year?

Oh my god Cailleach1 thanks for the link. The three winners certainly did not appear to be physically on par with the other female competitors, did they? I am wording my response carefully.

www.olympicchannel.com/en/video/detail/women-s-800m-final-rio-2016-replays/

Males, which would have been discovered had they not discontinued genetic testing in 1998. 2002 was the first olympics without it. The only people it has discriminated against is women. If ambiguities were found for a few, further tests could have been done on them. As it is, all women are being robbed. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place on bodies which have obviously gone through male puberty.

Brilliant advance for women's sport!

High level swimming is different as the advantages of a technical suit would make such a difference to times. Which is why full body mens suits are banned. It would become a technical swimsuit competition rather than a swimming one.
And swimming has been rife with child abuse scandals, it may be making swim governing bodies more cautious as they can't afford more scandals

800m freestyle? Katie Ledecky won, and Jazz Carlin came second. Jazz is a GB swimmer and I've know people who have known her since she was a child. Both natal females.

Sorry. Not swimming, Athletics.

My point is that I don't see why swimming would be different. Happening in cycling etc. Why would swimming be different?

Males won 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in the Olympics 800m women's final in Rio in 2016.

Is that the swimming or the running Cailleach?

Better still any chance of a link? First time I'm hearing this...

Did they? That snuck under the radar. I'll look it up.

Would it cause uproar, turkey? Males won 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in the Olympics 800m women's final in Rio in 2016. I don't think the medals have been correctly given to the 4th, 5th and 6th competitors which were actually the fastest women in this women's event .

After the women were chucked out of the Men's pool by the police wrt Man Friday, were men subsequently chucked out by police from the women's pool? Using men and women in their accurate sense to refer to human sex in adults.

If not, were the police being discriminatory and treating women differently under the law?

I have wondered about this from a competitive swimmer pov. Even your small local teams have to follow FINAs rules for competition swimwear. Child safeguarding would mean we couldn't let a child or teen female swim topless, which pushes girls out. Boys rules mean they cannot wear a female style race suit, as it gives them a significant advantage and they were banned quickly when they came out.
So a MTF would have the advantages of size, height etc etc, plus the advantages of a full body tech suit. If anyone actually does it in competition, it will cause uproar.

Unles they are in drag race, when they have to be coyly covered...

I get so confused by the whole thing. Male nipples are acceptable, female nipples not. But when a TM has a double mastectomy, suddenly the nipples become acceptable. So is it the breast tissue that makes a female nipple a female nipple? And yet cleavage is acceptable?