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Why is it not called Merpersons?

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toocuriousnottoask · 08/01/2021 21:14

I don't know if this has been asked before, but I couldn't seem to find it. This forum seemed like the right place to ask.

Why exactly is the transgender charity that assists children called Mermaids? Is this naming in itself not exclusion? For example, I would have thought it would be something more like Merpersons since there were I though the idea of Mermen.

I get that the founder created the charity after having a son that identified more as a daughter and so it may have history in regards to that, but I would've thought as it assists transition both ways around, it would be much more appropriate to be named Merpersons.

I ask this question as I am quite curious about the idea of misogyny in this movement. I see that the rates of girls transitioning in the NHS

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HecatesCats · 09/01/2021 23:54

Posted to soon, it's not just pregnancy - you also need to have enough blood to donate plasma safely. Your sex, height and weight influence how much blood you have. So I applied to donate plasma because I've previously tested positive for Covid, but when they applied the above criteria they said I didn't have enough blood, because of my weight and height and sex to donate and they said men are better donors because they're bigger and can donate more blood.

HecatesCats · 09/01/2021 23:47

There was an advert on the radio the other day which exemplified this. It asks for men to think about donating plasma. The reason being that they don’t want women on the off chance a pregnancy has affected them as this can be dangerous to the person receiving the plasma.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 09/01/2021 23:34

I think of that advert for men's plasma too and thought the same thing! I got a covid vaccine recently, and the leaflet highlighted advice for "women of childbearing age"... I can't imagine how they'd do that in newspeak.

Interesting mermaid facts that I didn't know about above!

toocuriousnottoask · 09/01/2021 23:21

Thanks so much for the follow up to this. It’s truly informative. I didn’t in fact even realise that the Little Mermaid was a story beyond the Disney film I’m ashamed to say. I presume a lot of people that are using mermaids as a representation may not as well.

Also interesting there is a more fitting mythical creature!

It seems like a classic case of how the word “men” can include women (this probably applies better in a language like Spanish). Seems like a similar idea, but given the topic, questionable to do so.

I also didn’t realise the person I attribute to founding the charity is not indeed the actual founder!

I am indeed afraid to ask this question to anyone in my real life. I would not want to come off as transphobic as I truly don’t feel like I am. I am more just curious about the implications of society not having decided to extend identifying traits and instead aim to conflate sex and gender.

There was an advert on the radio the other day which exemplified this. It asks for men to think about donating plasma. The reason being that they don’t want women on the off chance a pregnancy has affected them as this can be dangerous to the person receiving the plasma. Trying to run that same advert being more sensitive to the way we as a society have currently chosen to try to identify sex & gender is a minefield.

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ChattyLion · 09/01/2021 22:40

chocolate oh no, poor young you!
Though I appreciate the honesty of that movie blurb that Hamster posted:

‘A mermaid falls in love with a human prince, which leads to tragedy.’

TrashedWarrior · 09/01/2021 18:47

@jay55

Because mermaids are females with tails instead of vaginas.
Grin
Defaultname · 09/01/2021 16:44

“But a mermaid has no tears, and therefore she suffers so much more.”
― Hans Christian Andersen, The Little Mermaid.

Personally, I don't want to call anyone who isn't a woman, a woman. No prefix, no suffix. No thanks.

There's a Benny Hill line about a man "Who's as nervous as a nudist climbing a barbed-wire fence". Should there be a mishap, the nudist would be a cresfallen man. He wouldn't be a woman. It's just silly to think so. Neither more nor less than someone who has stayed on his side of the fence, this bloke is a man.

TheHamsterCatcher · 09/01/2021 15:57

@ifchocolatewerecelery Was it this one? www.imdb.com/title/tt0070326/

With Fritz the dolphin? I don't know anyone else who remembers it!

FemaleAndLearning · 09/01/2021 15:38

I like the depiction of mermaids in the Goblet of Fire they gave me and my daughters an alternative view of these mythical creatures. Though I always told them that Disney Ariel was not in a healthy relationship!

Why is it not called Merpersons?
TimeforLaChange · 09/01/2021 14:20

Aye, very strange. But I imagine it's the 'transformation' element that is considered relevant. Or wanting to be something else. Or something.

Not sure how that reconciles with always being that

Also interesting that the fragrant mimmymum no longer has a mermaid on her Twitter page. Probably doesn't make sense in her circumstances.

Regardless, one thing is for sure, to even ask the question will be considered 'transphobic' because everything is

Scout2016 · 09/01/2021 13:31

Mermaids are imaginary, and also neither one thing (woman) nor the other (erm, fish). As well as all the other odd associations and connotations. So yes, odd choice. I read that the Spanish version is called Chrysalis, which makes a lot more sense branding wise.

HecatesCats · 09/01/2021 01:32

All very dreamy to begin with, all very tragic by the end.

Greencoatblue · 09/01/2021 01:10

Oh I saw bits of one of these a while ago, was obviously busy pre-Christmas. Couldn't say which one but remember Glynis Johns. Was the one where someone couldn't sing or something....... totally off thread, sorry. Was as realistic as transgender kids anyway......

Defaultname · 09/01/2021 00:21

Anyone seen Miranda and Mad About Men? Two British films with Glynis Johns as a mermaid who tries out life as a socialite on dry land.
She's a bit of a man-magnet, and one of her rivals, checking out her room, discoveres that Miranda doesn't seem to believe in knickers.

Well,I laughed!

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/01/2021 23:53

Mermaids don’t exist, silly. And the little one came to a sticky end in the Anderson fairy tale. So not a brilliant piece of branding imho...

ifchocolatewerecelery · 08/01/2021 23:17

@ChattyLion I begged Santa for the little mermaid video when I was little. I wanted the Disney one with the rewritten to happy ever after ending. What I got was a cheaper cartoon version from boots the chemist with the original ending. I watched it because my parents made me and I cried my eyes out.

jay55 · 08/01/2021 23:12

Because mermaids are females with tails instead of vaginas.

HecatesCats · 08/01/2021 22:47

It really is!

ChattyLion · 08/01/2021 22:30

Agreed Hecate, The Little Mermaid gives up everything for him and ultimately she dies solely because of his rejection of her when he marries someone else so all her sacrifice was pointless anyhow. It’s awful! I read it as a kid thinking it was like a horror story. No voice, dependent on a man you don’t actually know to love you, so you can continue to exist in the world at all. Anyway I was thinking more about the resonance of the agonising requirements for physical transformation in exchange for the chance to be loved - but it’s a horrible story whichever way you look at it!

HecatesCats · 08/01/2021 22:14

Sorry x-post Chatty

HecatesCats · 08/01/2021 22:14

Ariel is the ultimate submissive female, she gives up her voice, her fins, her family and her home for her prince. It's a dubious association to say the least.

Summerstorms · 08/01/2021 22:14

Selkies would make more sense anyway

Defaultname · 08/01/2021 22:10

This site looks at the difference between sirens,harpies, and mermaids, so could be useful here.: www.travelpirates.com/captains-log/fact-or-fiction-mermaids-sirens-and-harpies_11260

"In some lore, mermaids are depicted as kind souls that try to save sailors from their ultimate doom or even fall in love with humans, while others are perceived as beacons of danger and lure sailors to the briny depths. Mermaids are thought to have been inspired by the Greek Sirens."

ChattyLion · 08/01/2021 22:07

I think it’s very unpleasant and sad name to pick. It makes me think of that awful fairy story of The Little Mermaid giving away her tail and getting human legs painfully so the prince would love her. Every step was like walking on knives. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid

HecatesCats · 08/01/2021 21:44

"Beauty Beyond Binaries: The Mermaid Trend Has an Extra-Special Meaning for Many Trans Women"

www.allure.com/story/trans-women-mermaid-trend-meaning