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The cognative dissonance of Lorraine

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 07/01/2021 10:57

I'm sick of the daytime chat shows giving trans ideology a free uncritical pass and now Eddy Izzard has 'come out' as a woman he has become an advocate of the junkscience bullshit:
I do all the dramatic roles in 'boy mode'..because I'm gender fluid..when I did [Portrait] .. I was in 'girl mode'
This is nodded through by Lorraine.
We are getting closer and closer to working out the genetic thing in transgender, and that is going to help humanity .. with no research or evidence offered of course.

We are all girls as a foetus Eddy explains, . some of us get coded boys, ..Testes and oaries are the same thing but they get 'coded' different ways..

..People..Stop being so obsessed about this and back off says Eddy suddenly - probably in boy mode?

Yes tell your own truth and be kind surely that is more important than shoving a label on because it doesn't really matter says a simpering Lorrine throwing away women's rights through gritted teeth and narrowing eyes (just freezeframe her face when she has to say that, she looks uncomfortable saying it, probably in keeping her job mode).

Your a fantastic woman and a fantastic human being, says Lorraine dropping the "w" word at the end of the interview.
Thank you for being so supportive it's great that your there says Eddy emotionally. They both get emosh and there are nearly tears (because they are both women!) but I felt that underlying it Lorraine was uncomfortable in this whole performance.

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LockedDownLife · 07/01/2021 19:19

To be fair to her Lorraine is a popular lightweight entertainer and not a journalist or political commentator. It's not her style to challenge or push a particular agenda. She's made her career by saying the right thing, to the right person, at the right time, in the right way.

I don't think she's thick at all. A very shrewd and hard working individual. Would have loved a GC kickback against Eddie on morning telly but we'll need to leave that to someone else!

Thingybob · 07/01/2021 18:29

I just watched the interview on YouTube and it's like watching Take Your Pick with the contestant fearful of saying the wrong thing and getting the gong.

It's not an easy or enjoyable interaction for Lorraine. At best she is humouring or playing along with Eddie, at worst she's taking the p*ss

BraveBananaBadge · 07/01/2021 18:23

“Hoist by your own Izzard”

Brilliant @OhHolyJesus Grin

zanahoria · 07/01/2021 18:18

enough about girl and boy mode, how about adult mode?

Daughterofmabel · 07/01/2021 18:07

I've always thought she's a bit thick
Same. No redeeming features imo.

VVKills27 · 07/01/2021 17:23

@Lordamighty ah yes, fair point!

PotholeParadies · 07/01/2021 16:54

Testes and ovaries are the same thing coded differently, in the same way feet, and ears are all the same thing Eddie- they're all made of human cells.

But they're different kinds of cells. FFS Eddie, get out of the public eye and do GCSE Biology or something. If I hear any more quotes about him having boy and girl "genetics", I may snap.

Robbybobtail · 07/01/2021 16:35

I can’t even watch it as it’ll make me too angry but Lorraine has always been “TV-lite” - shes hardly a hard-hitting journo. You can tell she’s just going through the motions - you can practically see her thinking about what she’s going to have for lunch, they could stick a Lorraine-a-like robot in her place and you wouldn’t know the difference.

Eddie Izzard is just an attention-seeking cock. I really wish he would go away.

OhHolyJesus · 07/01/2021 16:28

Whether smart or not Lorraine isn't helping.

When Hannah Graf said that many women are infertile and unable to have children and claimed to belong to that group Lorraine ummd and ahhd sympathetically.

At 61 and decades in the business she knows Eddie from old. She knows exactly what is going on, does nothing and tilts her head in support. She has a grown up daughter doesn't she? Maybe when she becomes a grandmother she won't mind her daughter evening called a pregnant person and herself a grandparent and not grandmother. Maybe someone like Eddie will be her daughter's health visitor or midwife and that will all be fine with by Lorraine.

Hoist by your own Izzard.

I have no interest in anything Lorraine says and I don't need her to shut up but I wish she wouldn't pander quite so much. ITV hasn't been stonewalled though, they have Piers Morgan.

derxa · 07/01/2021 16:09

A boketastic interview

Loseweightanddeclutter21 · 07/01/2021 16:01

Great thread title op, but isn't it total insincerity rather than cognitive dissonance?

Lordamighty · 07/01/2021 15:55

@VVKills27

I’ve always thought that Lorraine says whatever she thinks will keep her at the top of her profession, however disingenuous this may be. I honestly don’t know what she truly thinks about anything other than ‘oh for sure, absolutely, spot on for sure’!
Well we all know how she feels about paying her taxes.
CranberriesChoccyAgain · 07/01/2021 15:49

Gym? 😄 Ftm obviously. Bloody autocorrect

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HDDD · 07/01/2021 15:47
Greencoatblue · 07/01/2021 15:03

Didn't see the program, but he in all seriousness said testes and ovaries are the same thing, just differently coded? That will be like your ears and eyes, nose and mouth are all the same then, just differently coded. They're all sensory organs, just be glad nature didn't mess up and code one of your ears like a nose!

BraveBananaBadge · 07/01/2021 14:50

Oh Eddie. This is just gaslighting and it’s so unpleasant to see. I appreciate Eddie constantly stresses the pronoun thing is ‘not a demand’ and has their head on straight enough to understand where JKR is coming from. But then these sort of displays are just nonsensical, and the Twitter nitwits bollocking on about misgendering are unbearable.

That ‘boy mode’ suffices for Eddie’s serious dramatic work says it all. When Lorraine fancies a change from morning TV she could do the voiceover for the Two Minute Hate.

Sheleg · 07/01/2021 14:20

How can there be a genetic component? Is there a gene that can make someone identify with a stereotype, or hate the body they were born with? Seems like cod-science.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 07/01/2021 14:14

She may, or may not, swallow the trans "science", doesn't matter to her. Be Kind plays best for her at the moment.

You do feel like Lorraine is being used as an example of how women should react when a man comes out as trans, the be kind narrative is being rewarded.

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TodgerStrunk · 07/01/2021 12:23

Makes me totally understand the tax dodge claim that's she's the "character" Lorraine on tv and not the actual Lorraine.

ClaireP20 · 07/01/2021 12:15

@Seasaltyhair

Yep. I turned it off.

Girl mode? Boak.

He looks like a drunk sailer on a stag do dressed up in drag

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sleepyhead · 07/01/2021 12:14

Lorraine is absolutely selectively confrontational. Very rarely, and does it extremely well - it seems completely unscripted and yet never receives any negative publicity from it as she manages to seem brave but completely parrots the popular view (so actually completely uncontroversial) - c.f. Jennifer Arcuri.

She only monsters clearly unpopular people though, and only when they have no power to get her into bother.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 07/01/2021 12:12

I just read an article about this interview. Never have I been so disappointed by anyone as I am by Eddie jumping on the bandwagon.

I used to have such massive respect for Eddie and now I can barely even bear to look at Eddie.

burnoutbabe · 07/01/2021 12:10

Lorraine did refer to Eddie as him in the opening intro then suddenly switched later on (soneone Had had a word)

Eddie said he didn't mind which was used.

Is he us saying he is a woman? Or just in girl mode? We'd address drag queens as she when presenting as such (and him if they appear out of drag)

highame · 07/01/2021 12:10

I doubt very much that ITV has been stonewalled. I hope eventually a bit of tolerance kicks in because I'm just a bit sick of the nastiness. Make a point but make it well.