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Suzie Green promotion in the Independent

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Gncq · 02/01/2021 19:59

Why are "reputable" news outlets still allowing Mermaids propaganda?

Tavistock Vs Bell is done.
We don't wish to hear more promotion for the horrendous medical treatment pushed onto gender non conforming children.

Article is full of SG's opinion stated as fact and upside down ideology stated as though it were right way round.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/puberty-blockers-transgender-dysphoria-b1781476.html?amp

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OldCrone · 03/01/2021 14:42

[quote CrossPurposes]www.ted.com/talks/susie_green_transgender_a_mother_s_story/transcript[/quote]
Archive link for when SG denies she ever said any of that.

archive.is/xWT4K

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 03/01/2021 14:30

[quote CrossPurposes]www.ted.com/talks/susie_green_transgender_a_mother_s_story/transcript[/quote]
Thanks!

HecatesCats · 03/01/2021 12:40

It's from her Ted Talk. Thanks for sharing CrossPurposes.

Whatwouldscullydo · 03/01/2021 12:14

Its from her Ted talk I think. Available on you tube.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 03/01/2021 12:13

@HecatesCats

Journalism = reminding readers what Susie Green previously said of her child, except it never happens:

"Jack's favorite outfits were the tutu and Snow White costume. And again, that was fine. But not for Dad. So, Jackie's dad struggled, and he blamed me. His thoughts were that because I allowed the Polly Pocket and the My Little Pony, that I was facilitating and encouraging. And I disagreed. And it caused tensions. What I had come to the conclusion with, over the sort of years until she was about two, was that I had a very sensitive, quite effeminate little boy who was probably gay.

"But Jack's dad did not approve of our child's effeminate behavior, and it created such tensions that we ended up in couple's counseling. We went to couple's counseling, and what they said to us as parents that we had to agree, no matter what it was that we agreed upon we had to agree. At that point, Tim decided that I must agree with him, apparently, and then all the "girl toys" or "girly toys" as such were taken away and put away, and Jack was made aware that this was not appropriate. And suddenly, a confident, happy little boy became quite quiet, withdrawn, very clingy, and tearful. I didn't like it, and I didn't think it was right."

Where is this quote from?
Whatwouldscullydo · 03/01/2021 11:35

Read a book - whatmorethan 280 characters??

280 characters screen shotted and saved forever... far less risky hey..

NonCisWoman · 03/01/2021 11:33

The Daily Mail is ten times better than the Independent these days.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 03/01/2021 11:31

Read a book - what more than 280 characters?? 🤯

Whatwouldscullydo · 03/01/2021 11:29

Maybe they’ve never met a tomboy or a boy who likes fairies

Wouldn't be that hard to read book on child development though would it. I mean before you start advocating for medicalising their development . It used to be perfectly normal fir kids to wear whatever they wanted out the dressing up box Sad

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 03/01/2021 10:27

Maybe they’ve never met a tomboy or a boy who likes fairies?

icanboogieboogiewoogie · 03/01/2021 10:12

@AvocadoBathroom

"In most cases, these young people have never met a single transgender individual in their lives – and in many cases, they have not even heard the word transgender before learning it was the word that described their own experiences."

Really? Because that's not what I'm seeing in schools where entire friend groups are jumping up and down in excitement at wearing breast binders.

And it still seems to me that children (in particular girls) that are on the spectrum are disproportionately affected. Which is fine, I'll call you 'him' if you want, but please no medical interventions until you're an adult. I'm so concerned about what's going to happen when all these 'trans' boys and girls grow up.
Whatwouldscullydo · 03/01/2021 10:11

Why on earth do they give article space to people who can't even answer the basic questions.

I mean someone who can't even define what they are about, is surely in no position to talk about a complex medical path.

Its extremely poor journalism to not even go back and quote her own words and why now she has gone back on them, and to clear up the very basic question of what it all is.

AvocadoBathroom · 03/01/2021 09:27

@EdgeOfACoin

And deciding on his likely sexuality at 2.

I mean, really, who is thinking about their kid's sexuality at that age?!

Exactly. What kind of people are focusing on their child's sexuality at two? This makes my flesh crawl.
EdgeOfACoin · 03/01/2021 09:24

In most cases, these young people have never met a single transgender individual in their lives – and in many cases, they have not even heard the word transgender before learning it was the word that described their own experiences."

It's like the Internet doesn't even exist...

AvocadoBathroom · 03/01/2021 09:22

"In most cases, these young people have never met a single transgender individual in their lives – and in many cases, they have not even heard the word transgender before learning it was the word that described their own experiences."

Really? Because that's not what I'm seeing in schools where entire friend groups are jumping up and down in excitement at wearing breast binders.

MoltenLasagne · 03/01/2021 08:37

I think looking at a 2-year-old and saying 'yes, he's probably gay' is just weird.

Totally agree and clearly done by someone who has NO concept of child development. Children at that age (and older) think that hair length is a key factor in a whether a child is a boy or a girl, and a change of hair cut can change your sex. Obviously some of these idiotic adults agree.

It's so blatantly regressive and homophobic .

EdgeOfACoin · 03/01/2021 08:07

It's the first time I've seen 'labelled' at birth. I still don't like it - it implies the midwife slapped an arbitrary label on the baby, but it's marginally better than 'assigned'.

I've seen the more neutral phrase 'registered at birth' used. I prefer that, as it's at least factual.

EdgeOfACoin · 03/01/2021 08:02

@mintkoala

It wouldn't matter if she was speculating about her kid's sexuality if she thought being gay was OK.

Suppose she had told the dad 'He might be gay. He might not. Its OK either way'.

I do agree that homophobia is behind Jackie Green's transition. However, I think that saying 'he might be gay, he might not be' is one thing.

I think looking at a 2-year-old and saying 'yes, he's probably gay' is just weird. Even if you were the most supportive person in the world, why on earth would you draw such conclusions about a child's sexuality? I wouldn't assume that a two-year-old who liked Fireman Sam would grow up to be a firefighter. If a 12-year-old was still passionate about fire engines and the like, I'd start to think that a career as a firefighter might be on the cards.

But to go 'oh, my 2-year-old son likes dressing up in a dress. He'll almost certainly want to shag men rather than women when he's older' just strikes me as weird. 2-year-olds are still babies! I know a man who used to dress up as a princess when he was little (I think he was quite taken with Princess Diana). He later outgrew the phase. He's now married to a woman, works in the City and has kids of his own. It would have been just silly if his parents had looked at him in a princess dress when he was 2 or 3 and decided that he was 'probably' gay.

MedusasBrandyButter · 03/01/2021 07:32

@Gncq

Well "labelled at birth" is better but still a total crock, because it implies some sort of random description based on unobserved, unreasoned decision making on part of the midwives (or "birthing people" Wink).
Of course it's still rubbish, but hiven how... er... resistant to reality the use of "assigned ... at birth" has been, it's intriguing to see this break with the dogmatic vocab. Wasn't it Mermaids which did a reverse-ferret on "born in the wrong body"?
CranberriesChoccyAgain · 03/01/2021 04:03

Yep, no homophobia in the trans agenda at all, no siree. Hmm Anyone with a functioning brain cell can see why the LGB alliance was necessary.

Molesmokes · 03/01/2021 02:23

“The Independent employs over 100 journalists around the world to bring you news you can trust.”

News you can trust Hmm

Datun · 03/01/2021 01:00

@HecatesCats

Journalism = reminding readers what Susie Green previously said of her child, except it never happens:

"Jack's favorite outfits were the tutu and Snow White costume. And again, that was fine. But not for Dad. So, Jackie's dad struggled, and he blamed me. His thoughts were that because I allowed the Polly Pocket and the My Little Pony, that I was facilitating and encouraging. And I disagreed. And it caused tensions. What I had come to the conclusion with, over the sort of years until she was about two, was that I had a very sensitive, quite effeminate little boy who was probably gay.

"But Jack's dad did not approve of our child's effeminate behavior, and it created such tensions that we ended up in couple's counseling. We went to couple's counseling, and what they said to us as parents that we had to agree, no matter what it was that we agreed upon we had to agree. At that point, Tim decided that I must agree with him, apparently, and then all the "girl toys" or "girly toys" as such were taken away and put away, and Jack was made aware that this was not appropriate. And suddenly, a confident, happy little boy became quite quiet, withdrawn, very clingy, and tearful. I didn't like it, and I didn't think it was right."

I continue to be gobsmacked how she fails to see the obvious.
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 03/01/2021 00:04

Sad to say, the Independent is as captured as the Guardian. Not a shred of, er, independent thought, analysis or fact-checking. Just carrying on praising the emperor's new clothes that are starting to look exceedingly threadbare, and indeed transparent ....

mintkoala · 02/01/2021 23:37

'Let's wait and see. Meanwhile, stop being a dick.'

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