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From now on, I was in an LGBTQ+ family’: my husband came out as trans while I was on maternity leave

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Defaultname · 02/01/2021 15:27

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/02/from-now-on-i-was-in-an-lgbtq-family-my-husband-came-out-as-trans-while-i-was-on-maternity-leave

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PlantMam · 03/01/2021 15:56

@themiserychick

A few months ago I discovered that my partner had been taking hormones (bought off the internet from overseas) to become a woman while I was 7 months pregnant with our second son. So I found myself relating to what she was going through.

But then there was the "and we all lived happily ever after!" and the rhetoric that the trans woman is more important than the trauma they put you through because they're being their authentic self. It's pushed so hard, that's why I've found myself here and in GC spaces.

Such a familiar story. Sending positivity and strength.

I’m not a transwidow myself, but I can guarantee (through first hand experience) that there is a fuck of a lot of life to live beyond marriage.

Hope you and your sons had a great Xmas/holiday period - you are all they need, I promise you.

❤️

PlantMam · 03/01/2021 15:51

@MrsBobDylan

Her writing comes across as her mulling over s ideas and grasping for those which justify what has happened so she can still love her husband.

She isn't ready to move in from the relationship and certainly isn't ready to write a book on accepting a trans man.

What her partner has done is horrific. She struggled for years to have a baby and just as he enters the world he eclipses the sun with his 'big realization'. What a fucking selfish arsehole.

All of this ^

My DS14 came out as bisexual recently simply because his girlfriend became transgender. He'd had no previous same sex attraction, but had to relabel himself to fit into their new reality.

Story of our times, sadly. Labels are pointless because they no longer indicate anything about the contents.

HecatesCats · 03/01/2021 14:27

This memoir is going to change a lot of people's lives, and I think it's going to change the conversation: Damian Barr ― Big Scottish Book Club

I wonder how much involvement Barr had? Friend of AH and the man who led the campaign to have the Baroness removed as VP of the Booker Prize for alleged "homophobia" (although it's much more likely that he took against the Baroness because of her views on. Gender ideology). It transpires he has said transphobic things in the past:

www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53276425

Defaultname · 03/01/2021 14:09

@Helmetbymidnight

Grin

The way she has chosen is getting her lots of strokes, approval and friendship of the #bekind crowd. I can't wait to see all the writers I know who are well down the rabbit hole falling over themselves to endorse the book...sigh.

The way she has chosen also keeps her ex on board and therefore maintain a family-unit. I get that.

But does she actually believe her husband now has a pretty little lady-brain just like her, (and not like other men) or is it that she daren't let herself think anything else?

From Amazon:

A brave, thoughtful and timely book calming and inspiring on our different relationships with our bodies, and vitally compassionate on trans rights Naomi Alderman

Insightful and wise, generous and kind -- David Nicholls

A treatise on empathy and grace in extraordinary circumstances -- Jojo Moyes

It took my breath away . . . It's such a beautiful book, so full of compassion and kindness even in its furious honesty . . . You are going to love it ― Bryony Gordon

A book about how a personal crisis caused someone to open up rather than shut down . . . really admirable and carefully done . . . on bodies, families, gender identity, bravery -- Amy Liptrot

This memoir is going to change a lot of people's lives, and I think it's going to change the conversation -- Damian Barr ― Big Scottish Book Club

Wise, kind, funny, sad and beautifully written. Everyone who occupies a human body should read it -- Erin Kelly

The most moving and real account of a person's relationship with their body I have ever read... A book with a wild, deep, joyous, tender love of people at its heart -- Emma Jane Unsworth

Fabulous . . . Sensitively and cleverly written . . . remarkable -- Judy Murray

A much needed clarion call for greater empathy, compassion and respect for humanity -- Daisy Buchanan

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YouJustDoYou · 03/01/2021 14:00

After all, my openness, my concern for D, and my lack of judgment about the multitude of ways a person can identify had created the space in which D had finally been able to speak the truth about herself. Sure, it had come at the expense of my marriage; but it was becoming clear that this spirit of openness was the only viable means of survival for the long-term health of this little family

"Spirt of openess" just means "being forced to accept the new situation without a choice in the matter". She sacrificed everything just so the husband could feel happy? Isn't that just the way women have lived though for all time, putting our own happiness and healthy mind aside for the sake of men and what the man wants, what will make HIM feel happy? I mean, we're used to it, shame he couldn't have grasped that and instead of subjecting HER to months of mind torture wondering why had her husband been crying whilst she'd been out, why had he started to not make eye contact etc, he could've perhaps sacrificed himself for his little family. But no. Of course not.

BuntingEllacott · 03/01/2021 13:52

Cannot stop laughing @ Bellend Curve

CatVsChristmasTree · 03/01/2021 13:52

@EdgeOfACoin

I found the cognitive dissonance in that article startling.

She goes into detail about her difficulties conceiving and the toll that pregnancy and breastfeeding has taken on her body.

Yet the fact that her partner likes to wear foundation and shave their legs is apparently sufficient to make them a woman. And the writer berates herself in that final paragraph for previously having had an overly narrow view of womanhood.

The strange thing is, in the beginning her partner seems to have embraced the idea that a man could shave his legs and wear makeup, yet still be a man.

It's a really odd article. I wonder whether the writer believes what she is saying deep down.

Yeah I wondered this. Is she really happy or is she fooling herself? Though I was rather pleased to see she didn't question her own sexuality and decide she must be a lesbian now. She accepts that that same sex attraction is something you either have, or don't.

My DS14 came out as bisexual recently simply because his girlfriend became transgender. He'd had no previous same sex attraction, but had to relabel himself to fit into their new reality.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/01/2021 13:49
Grin

The way she has chosen is getting her lots of strokes, approval and friendship of the #bekind crowd. I can't wait to see all the writers I know who are well down the rabbit hole falling over themselves to endorse the book...sigh.

The way she has chosen also keeps her ex on board and therefore maintain a family-unit. I get that.

But does she actually believe her husband now has a pretty little lady-brain just like her, (and not like other men) or is it that she daren't let herself think anything else?

ArabellaScott · 03/01/2021 13:37

the Bellend Curve.

Grin
MrsBobDylan · 03/01/2021 13:18

Her writing comes across as her mulling over s
ideas and grasping for those which justify what has happened so she can still love her husband.

She isn't ready to move in from the relationship and certainly isn't ready to write a book on accepting a trans man.

What her partner has done is horrific. She struggled for years to have a baby and just as he enters the world he eclipses the sun with his 'big realization'. What a fucking selfish arsehole.

HecatesCats · 03/01/2021 12:28

she's suggesting that all the statistics wirh regard to women's achievements in sports (about which she's written a book), their representation in parliament, their incomes, etc. can be beefed up by tweeking the definition of 'women' to include men. It's a sort of shifting of the Bellend Curve.

GrinGrinGrin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/01/2021 12:18

Nothing new about cognitive dissonance

No, I agree.

merrymouse · 03/01/2021 12:17

I feel sorry for this woman as I would for anyone in her position but I'm exasperated by her throwing other women under the bus to cling on to her self-destructive gender beliefs and preserve her cognitive dissonance.

"He just gets under my feet if he isn't playing golf".

"Really I'm choosing not to spend my time at the pub - we both get to do what we want to do and I really like housework"

"Oh I don't mind - I'm happy at home with the children - I know I'm more important than those other women".

Nothing new about cognitive dissonance.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 03/01/2021 12:16

Bell* curve Lol!

Defaultname · 03/01/2021 12:11

Thanks to everyone for explaining the difference between mean, average, median, mode,etc.
As I now understand the last lines of the article,

"By accepting my body for what it is, and all women’s bodies for what they are. I am average, we are average. Perhaps together we can shift the mean."

she's suggesting that all the statistics wirh regard to women's achievements in sports (about which she's written a book), their representation in parliament, their incomes, etc. can be beefed up by tweeking the definition of 'women' to include men. It's a sort of shifting of the Bellend Curve.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/01/2021 12:07

I can never change the anti-trans sentiment that some cling to

How about you worry about your own unhealthy "sentiments", love. No need to concern yourself with other people's beliefs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/01/2021 12:05

I feel sorry for this woman as I would for anyone in her position but I'm exasperated by her throwing other women under the bus to cling on to her self-destructive gender beliefs and preserve her cognitive dissonance.

TimeforLaChange · 03/01/2021 11:25

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Winesalot · 03/01/2021 11:14

I wonder if she has any GC friends who have taken her to one side, given her a big hug and said, “you know you don’t have to go along with all this shit, right?”

Having a look on her bird feed, I suspect she has quite a few prominent trans friends. And is quite firm with any suggestion from anyone she considers anti trans.

I suspect she has a great deal invested in this in all aspects of the word. She very much knows the repercussions of stepping out of line, if she even wanted to.

merrymouse · 03/01/2021 11:10

"and a transman is trying to police AH's telling of her story."

AH's experience - that she chose to marry a man - must be suppressed.

Ironically the only thing that mitigates her ex's actions at all is the suggestion of confusion. Take away confusion and you are left only with narcissism and deceit.

QueenoftheAir · 03/01/2021 10:53

Look at the conversation AH is having to have re: the use of the word “husband” in the article’s title/headline

Oh FFS! This is Ms Heminsley's story - her story, and a transman is trying to police AH's telling of her story.

Unbelievable.

dianebrewster · 03/01/2021 10:45

@nickymanchester

Sorry, this one shows more clearly the very long tail of high earners
Thanks @nickymanchester - should have chosen a different example to wages 😏😉
OnlyTeaForMe · 03/01/2021 10:35

Poor woman. I really think she needs to cut loose and put her own needs first for a change. She should move out of the wokerati capital of Brighton - perhaps to a smaller town north in Sussex, so she can still access some friends and presumably allow child contact for her ex-partner, but somewhere which will allow her to recover her own life and perhaps form new relationships.
I wonder if she has any GC friends who have taken her to one side, given her a big hug and said, “you know you don’t have to go along with all this shit, right?”

ProfessorInkling · 03/01/2021 10:18

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HecatesCats · 03/01/2021 10:17

It just reads as though she is desperately trying to keep things together, as many women do, for the sake of her child.

It is also clear from social media that amongst her friends are numerous vocal trans advocates and that she would also face being very out of kilter with her group if she were to be too critical of or reject her partner as a 'woman'. As you say and to paraphrase Arabella she's doing what she can to raise a small child and not fall apart. I think setting herself against the prevailing views of her social group would compound any loneliness and isolation. It's probably easier to believe and fully embrace the woo woo and make that the starting point for the LGBTQ+ family, which I suppose feels more empowering than admitting you've been treated appallingly.