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zanahoria · 28/12/2020 10:29

"Frankie has had many controversies in his career, including making jokes about the Queen and people with disabilities. Frankie says that it’s every comedian’s job, to different degrees, to, “take things that people would normally find offensive and make them funny.”

"Frankie does not have positive words to say about Ricky Gervais as a stand-up comedian. “If you’re a stand-up watching him, you feel like, ‘oh, that’s someone doing a version of what we do,’” he says. “But really, it’s that I saw him doing his routine about trans people and I thought it was very lazy [in a 2018 Netflix special, Gervais did a routine about Caitlyn Jenner and trans identity]. I would like him to have the same respect for trans people as he seems to have for animals. I don’t think that’s a lot to ask.”

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/213C6kKb0L1cBssQd482m4N/frankie-boyle-10-things-we-learned-when-he-spoke-to-louis-theroux

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laudemio · 29/12/2020 07:17

Sarah Pascoe clever? I think not.

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 29/12/2020 07:15

I loathe FB for all the aforementioned reasons.

But I also refuse to watch anything with RG in after his... well, I can’t even bring myself to type the word, but his deeply offensive comments using a hideous term for Down’s Syndrome.

Clockstop · 29/12/2020 07:11

I went to see frankie Boyle when he was peak mock the week fame. He was awful! Wed heard all the material already on mock the week, his warm up guy was funnier, and there was a heckler that he couldn't handle at all, he ended up getting really angry and calling security. It was bizarre and the whole audience was tense like we were witnessing him having a breakdown Confused

AyrshireAmbler49 · 29/12/2020 07:08

I think FB and RG are both great.
Frankie is always giving women and people of colour platforms on his shows and his writing is second to none on the elaborate scale.

merrymouse · 29/12/2020 07:06

Has he ever apologised for the Harvey Price jokes?

donquixotedelamancha · 29/12/2020 06:57

Those words have chilled me. Is that not hate speech?

The argument that it isn't hate speech (in the way it would be if Bernard Manning said that about black people) is that the comedian is mocking those prejudiced views by making him/herself the target of the joke as a pretend bigot.

I think it's a perfectly fine argument. When RG, Sarah Silverman or Jimmy Carr do this sort of joke they are careful to signpost the irony. I always think people who take blanket offence at a joke out of context are idiots.

Thing is, FB does no signposting. I don't see how you could possibly infer that he doesn't hate Katie Price, and he clearly does hate RG. Even taken in context it's hard to think FB's views on women are not hateful.

donquixotedelamancha · 29/12/2020 06:40

Interesting conversation between Ricky Gervais and Sara Pascoe

Thanks for that Ra.

I love both Pascoe and Gervais. Sarah is very clever and a little obsessed with sex/gender.

On one level it's great listening to her hold her own and argue with someone as bolshie as Ricky but OTOH I do find it irritating that she seems utterly unable to comprehend why other people hold different views.

That section of the interview was a lovely example of two people having a blazing row while pretending to have a friendly intellectual discussion.

LunaNorth · 29/12/2020 06:35

@StellaAndCrow

He's just horrific. From the article that allmywhat links:

'And, since it was 2012 – when little girls across the UK were watching and admiring sporting stars such as Rebecca Adlington, Jessica Ennis and Victoria Pendleton – Boyle’s first instinct was to cram these stellar female athletes back in the sex-fantasy box, and describe himself masturbating about them, raping or otherwise abusing them. Adlington was “a bit of a challenge-wank”; Ennis “I couldn’t go out with Jessica Ennis. Couldn’t go out with someone who wouldn’t feel it when I punched them in the stomach. I’d end up having to pay for an abortion.”; Pendleton: “Victoria Pendleton can lift twice her own body weight. Which is sexy, ’cause it means she still wouldn’t be able to throw me off.” '

'His response to a female heckler was: “I’ll abuse you so badly your gynaecologist will think you’ve been in a fing car crash,” and again: “I reckon your pussy has seen more action than fing Helmand.” '

Those words have chilled me. Is that not hate speech?
Gingerkittykat · 29/12/2020 03:58

Frankie Boyle has somehow rehabilitated himself in the public's eye, from his utterly vile jokes about Harvey Price (and if we are talking about punching down it would be hard to find someone more vulnerable) to having a series on BBC 2 about Scotland. It seems some people, including him, have very short memories.

dyslek · 29/12/2020 00:50

Also a tax dodger, unlike JKR.

Funny how the modern left express their values.

littlbrowndog · 28/12/2020 23:59

Ricky gervais on a leaflet he saw on safe sex

Number 10. Just come out of a window 😂

Number 7. Just come on his back

Number 5 just come in his hair

Wear a shower cap for safe sex just in case the aim in number 7 goes wrong

isadorapolly · 28/12/2020 23:51

He really is creepy isnt he. Those eyes (shudder)

ClaireP20 · 28/12/2020 23:47

@HecatesCats

But if you look at the end result, his 'advocacy' amounts to attacking women. So maybe - entirely in character?

Yes, and he's not the only established misogynist for whom trans right is a brilliant fit.

Excellent point.
LittleRa · 28/12/2020 23:47

Interesting conversation between Ricky Gervais and Sara Pascoe (who has been mentioned on this thread) about Ricky’s Caitlin Jenner jokes, and other controversial joke topics more widely- listen from around 51mins;

ClaireP20 · 28/12/2020 23:46

@Neolara

Has anyone listened to his interview with Louis Theroux? I thought it was pretty interesting. His childhood sounds bleak.
I have and yes, it was really interesting and apart from the trans issue (why?!?!) he came over well
FannyCann · 28/12/2020 23:05

Perfect summing up ScreamingBeans Glitterball

Yes I know that's a glitter ball but I always thought it was a grenade so I am awarding you a grenade for FB. Wink

ScreamingBeans · 28/12/2020 22:45

I honestly think the only reason FB has jumped on the TWAW bandwagon is because he knows that if he waves that flag, it will provide excellent cover for the vile stuff he's said about every other marginalised group, which he knows is unacceptable to a new generation of audiences.

The audience he's aiming at will excuse every other ism as long as you toe the line on TWAW. He'll be waved through as long as he sticks to that. Without it, he's just a much nastier Bernard Manning.

chilling19 · 28/12/2020 22:36

The difference between the two is that Ricky doesn't (seem to) hate women, but incel-like hatred oozes out of Boyle.

donquixotedelamancha · 28/12/2020 22:32

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donquixotedelamancha · 28/12/2020 22:21

Still, you get the speaking engagements with Owen Jones, Frankie, so in a way you're both winners.

Funnier than anything that Franky Boyle has ever written.

Doyoumind · 28/12/2020 22:10

I'm not RG's greatest fan but I've always thought FB was an odious man. He has always reminded me of my ex with his penchant for offending people and his more recent hypocritical preaching also reminds me of my ex who is himself an odious man.

He's an absolute misogynist and this only emphasises it.

Glad to see twitter see him for what he is though. Pathetic coward.

queenofknives · 28/12/2020 22:03

No surprise him and OJ are besties. Both of them are vile misogynists.

NotBadConsidering · 28/12/2020 21:59

@DieHardIsAXmasMovie

Boyle is best pals with Owen Jones these days.

They deserve each other (not a compliment)

Oh yes, that reminds me, does anyone know how their Penguin evening together went? It was on the 16th of December. LOJ and Boyle don’t seem to have mentioned it much. Maybe the turnout wasn’t as expected...
NotBadConsidering · 28/12/2020 21:57

@LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett

The thing is, RG isn't even making jokes about trans people, he's just showing trans on screen. There's a scene in After Life where they go and interview a fat bearded middle aged man who's insisting he's a 13 year old girl... there's an eye roll between the characters iirc but the 'joke' is that this is actually happening, irl.

I always think RG must be OK because he's with Jane Fallon and I luffs her.

In Gervais’s Netflix show he makes general jokes about two things in relation to trans issues. The first part is about he was chastised for making a joke about Caitlyn Jenner’s driving, about how he was accused of being transphobic as a result, and about how he should be allowed to make fun of a person who is trans just as much as anyone else (particularly when they killed someone with their car and everyone seems to have forgotten Hmm).

The second part is with RG doing a sketch imagining how surprised Jenner’s doctor would have been when a former decathlon athlete comes in looking to transition, and because it’s a made up scenario from the past, RG uses Jenner’s “dead name” with RG frequently saying “Bruce, because that’s what she was called then”. The whole sketch (IMO) is to point out the absurdity of not being able to discuss the past without present day woke censorship applying, and RG’s detractors followed the script perfectly.

That a fellow “comedian” like Boyle couldn’t see what the crux of the joke was, and the inherent problem in being censored in such a way shows the gulf in their intellects.

DieHardIsAXmasMovie · 28/12/2020 21:37

Boyle is best pals with Owen Jones these days.

They deserve each other (not a compliment)

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