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Liz Truss writes in the Mail on Sunday

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Lowhum · 27/12/2020 03:53

...and also mentions women’s rights again.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089985/LIZ-TRUSS-Equality-not-just-woke-warriors-favoured-few.html

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 27/12/2020 17:22

I have never even considered voting Tory.

However, Baroness Nicholson is Tory. Jackie Doyle Price is Tory. And Liz Truss is Tory.

I want my rights to privacy and dignity. So, I am very surprised to find myself considering voting Tory.

TBH, if Liz manages to convince a bleeding-heart-liberal like me to vote blue then she deserves to be leader of the party - because, I'm not alone. Politically adrift women will vote for any party which understands why we refuse to have their daughters forced to change near penises.

Thing is, we are legion.

theskyispink · 27/12/2020 17:15

Interesting article. She really seems to be on the ball compared to other politicians.

Don't know if I agree with this bit: Britain is more colour-blind and less sexist than ever.

Mominatrix · 27/12/2020 16:59

@BabyItsAWildWorld, I think you are on the right track. Much like the support for the Republicans in the US, the Labour Party, as did the Democrats, are alienating the working class of the 21st century.

The Dems were shocked by their losses/lack of traction in Congress and the increase in support for the Republicans by Latinos, Blacks, Gay, and other minorities - as if they somehow are entitled to their vote, and not realising that their wholesale adoption of identity politics would alienate the votes they think they own. Labour suffered this in the last GE and have not taken aboard the message and they won’t make inroads into the vote until they wake up.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 27/12/2020 16:54

How the hell did we get to a point where a Tory Government stuffed with Old Etonians is more in touch with the majority of people than the Labour Party??

This. I can't offer any answer, just hold my hands out in silent bewilderment.

Thelnebriati · 27/12/2020 16:51

the Left has allowed insidious practices to threaten equality. For example, it has failed to defend the single-sex spaces that were won by the hard work of women over generations.

WTF. ''The Left'' aren't making women's psychiatric units, hospital wards or prisons mixed sex, are they?

Lowhum · 27/12/2020 16:45

BabyItsAWildWorld I know a Momentum fanatic follower, who posted on Twitter a while back that all business owners are middle class because they are privileged to work for themselves Hmm

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queenofknives · 27/12/2020 15:35

I think you have basically nailed it @BabyItsAWildWorld. The Guardian and Labour Party may well be the last to realise it, though!

BabyItsAWildWorld · 27/12/2020 15:21

I said in discussion the other day, if aparty for the working class was to be set up now, it would be:
anti-woke, patriotic and would promote an individuals ability to work hard to achieve the life they want for thier family.

So...basically the Tory party!
And Liz Truss gets this.

More of the 'working class' are now trades people rather than factory workers.They may drive a white van, and go to the pub after work, but they probably work 10 hour days, 6 days a week, earn more than the teacher they live next door to, care as much about thier kids education as that teacher, and are happy to say biological sex is a real thing.

The Labour party now represent a professional middle class elite, with thier own woke doctrine, and the working class know it, and told it where to go in the last election.

Kaliorphic · 27/12/2020 14:36

That's fabulous. What a good article.

MichelleofzeResistance · 27/12/2020 14:22

Labour, superficial, misguided, trendy, disinterested, hypocritical.

There's honestly no arguing with any of that.

I would add homophobic, misogynist and absolutely convinced of their own superiority. Evidence available on a daily basis.

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/12/2020 14:20

"I've not said this publicly before but I am solo-polyamorous. Meaning I want to maintain independence in my personal life, but I can form multiple intimate relationships."

To me that reads as ' I'll shag anyone that consents but don't expect me to acknowledge you in public or even to remember your name. '

Which is even worse than my reflex on seeing the word 'solo' to immediately think 'wank'.

Lowhum · 27/12/2020 13:21

Based on my knowledge of a local Conservative candidate, some of them are very aware of identity politics and how toxic it is becoming.
Based on my knowledge of our local Labour MP, they are not interested in preserving spaces for young girls in secondary schools and have dismissed any concerns regarding this.

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IfNotNow12 · 27/12/2020 13:18

It's interesting, she's from a very left wing background. I agree with her on a lot of points, maybe not free schools, but definitely about Labours attitude towards inclusion and towards women. And the fucking pink bus! She's good at her job too, and God knows this government could do with a bit of competence.

queenofknives · 27/12/2020 10:55

@ILoveAllRainbowsx

Brilliant. A positive thread about the Conservative party.

They really need to start speaking to women and men who aren't on Mumsnet who don't know what the Left are doing to women's rights. I only know because I am on Mumsnet. I only found out about JKR on Mumnset. I had no idea what was going on because I am not on Twitter.

Wonder if Liz Truss is on MN? I know a few months ago when she cancelled the GRA reforms quite a few of us sent cards and letters in support. I hope she did come on here to the FWR board! And I agree, the tories would do well to figure out the general mood of the people on this stuff. We don't want to lose our rights and freedoms to our new woke overlords.
PotholeParadies · 27/12/2020 10:41

Totally seem like people you'd call on to have sober debates about appropriate use of public funds, whose bid should win a contract, the ramifications of budget cuts to children's centres and so on.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 27/12/2020 10:39

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UppityPuppity · 27/12/2020 10:29

Ok - I summed up the courage and read the link.

horny but desperate

No more needs to be said!

UppityPuppity · 27/12/2020 10:26

solo-polyamorous

I’m afraid to ask...

SB and PH - yep - just the job to stop you ever voting green

ArabellaScott · 27/12/2020 09:57

*to be

ArabellaScott · 27/12/2020 09:56

Surely it's got the Patrick Harvie?

PotholeParadies · 27/12/2020 09:50

@UppityPuppity

their official lines are represented by the likes of Lisa (put rapists in prison with women) Nandy, Layla (soul-seer of the sainted trans) Moran and Mhairi (youse women are all Jeremy Hunts) Black

Perfect synopsis - Can I nab that?

But who for the greens? (Non-men, vote for women sexual abuse victims not to be given the right to choose a female medical examiner - or we will discipline you).

Siân 'Please never join thanks!' Berry

Kathryn 'solo-polyamorous' Bristow

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/letter-from-a-green-party-member

Liz Truss writes in the Mail on Sunday
queenofknives · 27/12/2020 09:49

Well this sort of 'mud' has been Labour's approach for some years now. They are misguided and trendy and hypocritical. Also misogynist. Also "woke" with all that implies. It would be great if this calling out forced Labour to re-examine their values, but I suspect they will respond by accusing Truss of being a terf and a bigot. They really have nothing to offer anymore.

highame · 27/12/2020 09:29

What a great strategy. Labour, superficial, misguided, trendy, disinterested, hypocritical. I assume whilst Labour will be looking for the chinks in Brexit, the Conservatives will be singing about the lunacy of the Left. Labour needs to take great care that this sort of mud doesn't stick, it is politically very, very damaging

Imnobody4 · 27/12/2020 09:20

I'm agreeing with every word and then she mentions council houses. She seems to have a real grasp on the issues and recognises it's a vote winner.
I don't see how the Labour party can turn their ship around now. Any concessions on the identity front will be met with screams of 'you're a Tory'.

queenofknives · 27/12/2020 09:18

Yes! What a brilliant article and great defence of our rights and freedoms.

God, never thought I'd be so keen on a Tory, but she definitely seems to get what's at stake here and I really like her defence of diversity against the identity politics of the left. This gives me hope. Go on Liz!