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Liz Truss writes in the Mail on Sunday

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Lowhum · 27/12/2020 03:53

...and also mentions women’s rights again.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089985/LIZ-TRUSS-Equality-not-just-woke-warriors-favoured-few.html

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OhHolyJesus · 09/01/2021 12:20

Just listened - very reassuring responses.

Portilo joked that she should check back in six months to see if unconscious biased training had been removed from the civil service and she said she would.

She also said she was interested in equality of process not equality of outcome and about the competitive nature of 'equality'.

It was good.

OhHolyJesus · 08/01/2021 20:31

Ooh thanks jhuizinga I forgot I had that app - will have a listen. Good old Liz, just need the rest of Govt to learn the difference but if you're going to start somewhere the women and equalities office is best.

highame · 08/01/2021 20:03

That's good to hear. Important distinction and she definitely seems to get it

jhuizinga · 08/01/2021 19:36

Liz Truss has just been on Times Radio talking to Michael Portillo about her equalities agenda. I don't think she said anything particularly new but I was struck by the number of times she mentioned 'sex' and, as far as I heard, her non-use of 'gender' when discussing the reasons why individuals may or may not have equal opportunities.

ArabellaScott · 30/12/2020 15:30

If you think about it the word 'misogyny ' is really transphobic, as is gynaecologist. Reducing women to their gynae and excluding all the poor lady penii. You'd better come up with new words, Charlotte!

xxyzz · 30/12/2020 14:22

@ArabellaScott

She's just done one today mentioning misogyny, Tomatoes.

[waving] we see you, dear.

Ha ha. If you read the article Charlotte Nichols links to, it states:

POLICE and crime commissioner David Keane is calling on the government to protect women and older people within hate crime law.

Existing hate crime laws do not recognise gender or age as a protected characteristic but the commissioner says there is clear evidence for misogyny and elder abuse to be recognised in law.
He has responded to the Law Commission’s hate crime consultation to set out his views.

He said: “We know that gender discrimination disproportionately affects women. There is evidence of this in the workplace, online and in everyday life. There is also evidence of misogyny leading to other serious crimes such as stalking or harassment.

“I believe that if misogyny was set out in law as a hate crime, this would give women the confidence and faith in reporting harassment or any other behaviour that leaves them feeling intimidated, uncomfortable or threatened."

Hmm

NOTE: Gender, not sex. 'Women' are not defined. I think we all know exactly what kind of 'women' David and Charlotte would want to protect, and who they would use misogyny hate crime legislation to attack.

www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2020/12/28/calls-for-misogyny-and-elder-abuse-to-be-recognised-in-hate-crime-law/

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 13:30

Hecates
Labour are indeed down a very stupid rabbit hole

but Liz Truss has long been an advocate for bringing UK employment rights more in line with the USA

  • getting rid of maternity pay
  • getting rid of sick pay
  • all that nasty red tape stuff that holds us back

The Tory party are anti trans because they know it pisses off the woke folks not because they support the rights of women
which leaves a LOT of us politically homeless at the moment

HecatesCats · 30/12/2020 13:25

[quote ListeningQuietly]Liz Truss is NOT a feminist.

Please read Brittannia Unchained to understand how she really thinks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Unchained[/quote]
I'd say she's more of a feminist than the shadow women & eq minister who doesn't appear to know what a woman is. She's being pretty shrewd because she can see there are women abandoned by the other political parties and she's reaching out. I am still waiting for Labour to come up with something, anything, rational on this issue, but in the meantime checking out the SDP. I say good for Liz Truss and I hope her interventions will push all parties towards a more fact based approach (although I fear the greens are a lost cause).

TomatoesAreFruit · 30/12/2020 13:25

That's quite amusing. Charlotte - now use the word 'woman' in a tweet, go on, I dare you!

ArabellaScott · 30/12/2020 13:18

She's just done one today mentioning misogyny, Tomatoes.

[waving] we see you, dear.

TomatoesAreFruit · 30/12/2020 12:33

I hwve been going through Charlotte Nicholls twitter thread. She is quite a prolific tweeter and re tweeter and I got to 17 December before I got bored.

I could not see a single tweet that she wrote which mentions the word woman. How incredibly depressing.

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 12:12

Liz Truss is NOT a feminist.

Please read Brittannia Unchained to understand how she really thinks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Unchained

Floisme · 30/12/2020 10:57

Nah I stopped feeling disappointed a while ago. Sore - yes possibly. But if I had to put words to the way I flip flop over Starmer and the Labour Party I would say it was more akin to stalking an ex on Facebook.

Sexnotgender · 30/12/2020 10:17

I think anyone hanging their hat on Starmer being a friend to women and playing the long game is going to be sorely disappointed.

PotholeParadies · 30/12/2020 09:25

Sorry, completely wrong thread!

PotholeParadies · 30/12/2020 09:25

This is Ireland, not the UK, but it's an example of the worst-case scenario coming true as a consequence of mixed sex wards.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/judge-criticises-hospital-after-girl-sexually-assaulted-by-man-63-on-ward-1.4170837

MoleSmokes · 30/12/2020 00:00

"Had a look at her speech record. The only thing I can see that seems related to 'Women's and Equalities' is a speech for International Men's Day."

Labour's Shadow Minister for Women Confused

For crying' out loud! Soddin' Clown World! 🤡

ArabellaScott · 29/12/2020 22:41

pressed 'post' by mistake. I was going to write 'now', but I'll wait until I'm sure Liz Truss is really going to hold the WEC to account.

ArabellaScott · 29/12/2020 22:40

She couldn't make it clearer how little she cares about women.

That's a really, really puzzling appointment.

I'm about ready to vote Tory, no

xxyzz · 29/12/2020 21:51

Oh FFS.

She spoke on social care, on retail job losses etc, all areas where it would have been obvious to point out, in line with her brief, that women were being particularly affected.

But no. Nothing.

ArabellaScott · 29/12/2020 21:38

[quote Imnobody4]Keir Starmer has appointed a Shadow Minister for Women who ignores pleas for a meeting from GC women

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1343864957549555713?s=19

While posting this on twitter.

twitter.com/charlotte2153/status/1343661240887996417?s=19[/quote]
Ahhh, ffs.

Had a look at her speech record. The only thing I can see that seems related to 'Women's and Equalities' is a speech for International Men's Day.

members.parliament.uk/member/4799/contributions?page=1#expand-4062929

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-11-19/debates/FF3FD025-D6F1-4872-84A1-09FBFDA4E4A0/details#contribution-6BCC495B-42F4-41D0-BECE-A71E874AE6D1

Okay, then, Labour.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/12/2020 18:11

She's been told to put her pronouns in her bio

Grin
PearPickingPorky · 29/12/2020 15:53

The way Liz Truss dealt with Crispin Blunt was very impressive, I must say.

She must be made of pretty sturdy stuff.

PotholeParadies · 29/12/2020 15:30

She's been told to put her pronouns in her bio

Hi Charlotte! Thank you for being such a great ally to the trans community - I for sure really appreciate it.
I was wondering if you could include your pronouns somewhere in your Twitter bio? Thank you :)

twitter.com/_Dylan_T/status/1343910889867665409?s=19

Imnobody4 · 29/12/2020 14:28

Now she's having a go at Jackie Doyle-Price. Perhaps I should start another thread. twitter.com/JackieDP/status/1343910668244819969?s=19

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